When will Bernie give up his candidacy?

@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

I think he will stay but I hope he dont go republican on us and go into attack mode.

Sanders is on record saying he will support whoever gets nominated by the Dems.

@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

RABEL222 wrote:

I think he will stay but I hope he dont go republican on us and go into attack mode.

Sanders is on record saying he will support whoever gets nominated by the Dems.

He's recently been heard musing about a challenged convention on the Dem side. I've always said Bernie was a lot more human, driven by regular old stuff like ambition, than his synchopants wanted to admit.

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@snood,

A lot smarter than most, that's for sure. That's why he makes such a good leader.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

A lot smarter than most, that's for sure. That's why he makes such a good leader.

I never said anything contrary to that. Just that he's not the saintlike being with only altruism in his heart that some promote.

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@snood,

Thanks for the tip, and along the same line, Obama was not the messiah after all...

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Thanks for the tip, and along the same line, Obama was not the messiah after all...

You should tell that 'tip' to someone who either said, or behaved as if, he was.

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@snood,

In 2008, Hillary supporters were all busy telling us that he wasn't the messiah. The subtext was of course that the people rooting for Obama were foolish idealists...

I hear the same condescending subtext here. It's divisive and counterproductive. Hillary and her supporters should try to respect, emulate and even harness Bernie's fundamental honesty, rather than laugh it off as some sort of scam or illusion.

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Obama says it's time to support Hillary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/us/politics/obama-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

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http://www.salon.com/2016/03/14/hillary_will_never_survive_the_trump_onslaught_its_not_fair_but_it_makes_her_a_weak_nominee/

Polls and pundits say Hillary Clinton cannot beat Trump. Bernie can.

Subheadline: Clinton backers who tout their "realism" need to get real about how she'll handle the shitstorm coming from Trump

Guess she needs to move that pantsuit out of Bernie's way.

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HA Goodman enumerates the criticisms that will come screaming around Hillary if she were the nominee.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/our_nominee_is_a_disaster_time_may_be_running_out_but_democrats_will_come_to_rue_clinton_over_sanders/

Excerpt--
At least, the Republicans are loyal to their insane views, while many Democrats have worked hard to mock the genuine progressives who’ve rallied behind Bernie Sanders. Have you ever wondered why this dynamic exists?

The lesser evil theory should also apply to the long-term future of the Democratic Party. We only have a two-party system and if Clinton moves the country even further to the right in terms of war, foreign policy, Wall Street and other issues, then we essentially have a one-party system.

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https://youtu.be/JACq7Tg-J3M

Harry Belafonte talks about his last conversation with MLK Jr. and tells Hillary and Obama the Democrat party is a burning house that may not be worth saving.

THIS.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

In 2008, Hillary supporters were all busy telling us that he wasn't the messiah. The subtext was of course that the people rooting for Obama were foolish idealists...

I hear the same condescending subtext here. It's divisive and counterproductive. Hillary and her supporters should try to respect, emulate and even harness Bernie's fundamental honesty, rather than laugh it off as some sort of scam or illusion.

I wasn't part of either side of that ridiculous crap about Obama being the second coming. I said then and I still say today that he was a decent, capable man who I found to be the best decision I could make for my vote. And I admitted then as now that it was frosting on the cake for me, and a source of pride that he was a black man.

I don't need any lectures from Bernie's followers about what my attitude needs to be toward Bernie or the importance of his candidacy. I have said from the Beginning that I think Bernie is an honorable man with his heart in the right place. I am of the opinion that Bernie has changed electoral politics in this country forever, and that his candidacy can be the start of a much needed paradigm shift-to-the-left for the Democrats. All I have ever protested was the seeming need of his more rabid followers to juxtapose Bernie and Hillary by painting her as some sort of demon and him as some sort of once in a lifetime transcendant figure. I have never bought that characterization of either, and I still don't.

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@Lash,

Attacking Hillary with the same old attacks they have used for the last 20 years isn't going to sway anyone.

Meanwhile Trump will be faced with debates where he will have to look presidential and knowledgeable. Something I don't see happening.

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@snood,

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All I have ever protested was the seeming need of his more rabid followers to juxtapose Bernie and Hillary by painting her as some sort of demon and him as some sort of once in a lifetime transcendant figure.

If that's a windmill you wanna fight, go for it, but don't forget that the trully important battle is against the Donald... Trying to humiliate Sanders supporters at every stop might help release pent-up fears and frustrations but it ain't the best way to the White House. In fact it's exactly what Clinton and her supporters should do if they wants to lose to Trump.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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All I have ever protested was the seeming need of his more rabid followers to juxtapose Bernie and Hillary by painting her as some sort of demon and him as some sort of once in a lifetime transcendant figure.

If that's a windmill you wanna fight, go for it, but don't forget that the trully important battle is against the Donald... Trying to humiliate Sanders supporters at every stop might help release pent-up fears and frustrations but it ain't the best way to the White House. In fact it's exactly what Clinton and her supporters should do if they wants to lose to Trump.

Goddam man, who started this? I respond to your diatribe about how everyone does Bernie wrong, and you then say I'm tilting at windmills? I know who the enemy is, save your advice for someone who doesn't.

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@parados,

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Attacking Hillary with the same old attacks they have used for the last 20 years isn't going to sway anyone.

Why not?

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@snood,

Errr... You started this. I was just saying to Rabel that Bernie will support Hillary rather than running as an independent, that's all. No "how everyone does Bernie wrong" involved here. And yet you interjected to "inform" me that Sanders is only a human being and not a saint... Duh!

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Errr... You started this. I was just saying to Rabel that Bernie will support Hillary rather than running as an independent, that's all. No "how everyone does Bernie wrong" involved here. And yet you interjected to "inform" me that Sanders is only a human being and not a saint... Duh!

Err... my first post on this thread was in response to Engineer. My statement to you was in answer to you saying Bernie is "smarter than most". You know where you can stick your condescending 'Duh'. If you don't address anything further toward me, I'll do you the same courtesy.

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@snood,

If you can lecture me with Bernie's lack of sainthood out of the blue like you did, I can give you a "duh". Grow a skin.

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@Olivier5,

Well said. I've dropped this. Feel free to do likewise.

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