Which Religion is the One True Religion?

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
real life wrote:
The more people understand the medical facts of how and when a baby develops in utero, the more pro-life they become; and the earlier in pregnancy they support banning it.

The more emotional people become...the less logical.

So???

..............................The sham...such as there is...comes from your side of this issue. You anti-choice people make me sick.

Looks like you may be sick for a long time, Frank. Even PP's own figures show pro-abortion support dropping.

Take a look at what PP says in this April 2004 article:

In a 1995 poll, for example, 56 percent called themselves "pro-choice," compared with 33 percent who said they were "pro-life." When the same question was asked last October (2003), 48 percent said they were "pro-choice" and 45 percent "pro-life."

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http://www.ppslr.org/Media/Articles/04april_22.htm

We'll see!

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I think women should decide about abortion. And i think it should be the pregnant women making call. A woman who knows her body can feel a growing living thing inside. Even at 4 weeks when i had a miscarriage i could 'tell' something was in me. It tears me up just to think that someone would undo what was started, i firmly believe that every life should grow into an adult and be given voice. I firmly believe that every unborn fetus should be given the oppotunity to become jerks like us.

If a woman wants to disregard that and rid herself of what is in her then thats her own deal. She answers for herself. And she doesnt answer to any of us. So its really pointless to agrue about it.

Frank, i doubt you will be hoisting your feet into stirrups anytime soon and have people probe around in you to flush out what was made inside.

And for any woman who chooses to abort or follow to term with any pregnancy, thats her business. There is no need to fight for her right, if there were no doctors to perform procedures there are medications, if there werent medications, there would be other means. Women have been aborting their babies for eons.

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amosunknown wrote:

I firmly believe that every unborn fetus should be given the oppotunity to become jerks like us.

Finally, an intelligent answer. Laughing

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Embryo = A
Baby = B

A does not equal B

"A" is the responsibility and province of the host woman.

"B" is the responsibility of all.

Ordeal in Niger
A New Face of Hunger, Without the Old Excuses

By LYDIA POLGREEN
Published: July 31, 2005
THE pictures are wrenching. A nomad holds an infant aloft, its gaunt head lolling dangerously, its matchstick limbs akimbo. A father asks God to forgive him for weeping publicly; he has just buried his son. A child in an emergency clinic awakens from a hunger-induced stupor only to moan and weep from the pain of his starvation-induced skin sores.

Schalk van Zuydam/Associated Press
Hungry children in Maradi, Niger.
These images of victims of a food crisis in the vast, landlocked West African nation of Niger, captured by a BBC television correspondent and shown around the world, look like something the world has seen before - the famine in Ethiopia in the 1980's. That catastrophe prompted an extraordinary outpouring of generosity, along with a vow that the world would never again stand by as millions went hungry.

Yet here it is again, far smaller in scale, yet replete with images of stick-thin children with hunger-swollen bellies clinging to bony, flat-breasted mothers. Once again there is the question: what causes these calamities that invariably afflict the world's poorest corners?

The immediate cause is certainly known. Locust swarms and poor rains last year wiped out much of the nation's harvest and caused grain prices to triple. But when misfortunes strike other countries, they can help their people, with planning, with resources and by seeking aid from abroad. So what has gone so terribly wrong in Niger?

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Cute, Rex.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

real life wrote:
Directors of pro-life CPCs will tell you that when a mother-to-be sees her baby on the ultrasound, it's like a light bulb switches on in her head. It's a baby, there he is.

And all this emotional stuff merely makes the decision harder...it does not, for the most part, stop the decision from being made.

Yeah Frank actually it does often stop the decision to abort from being made when a mother can see her unborn on the ultrasound.

And why is giving a mother access to medical information , such as an ultrasound, "emotional stuff" ?

You call yourself pro-choice. Shouldn't she make the most informed choice possible?

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real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
real life wrote:
Directors of pro-life CPCs will tell you that when a mother-to-be sees her baby on the ultrasound, it's like a light bulb switches on in her head. It's a baby, there he is.

And all this emotional stuff merely makes the decision harder...it does not, for the most part, stop the decision from being made.

Yeah Frank actually it does often stop the decision to abort from being made when a mother can see her unborn on the ultrasound.

And why is giving a mother access to medical information , such as an ultrasound, "emotional stuff" ?

You call yourself pro-choice. Shouldn't she make the most informed choice possible?

Hey real,

What if you looked inside with ultrasound and saw this?

Would you abort?

Smile

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real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
real life wrote:
Directors of pro-life CPCs will tell you that when a mother-to-be sees her baby on the ultrasound, it's like a light bulb switches on in her head. It's a baby, there he is.

And all this emotional stuff merely makes the decision harder...it does not, for the most part, stop the decision from being made.

Yeah Frank actually it does often stop the decision to abort from being made when a mother can see her unborn on the ultrasound.

And why is giving a mother access to medical information , such as an ultrasound, "emotional stuff" ?

You call yourself pro-choice. Shouldn't she make the most informed choice possible?

I repeat:

And all this emotional stuff merely makes the decision harder...it does not, for the most part, stop the decision from being made.

Try to think, Life...before you post.

The choice is made! The CHOICE is not always to go through with the abortion....the CHOICE...is to have a CHOICE to either have one or not to have one.

Christ...I hate having to explain basics. You'd think a brain would be an absolute minimum requirement for posting in this forum.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Christ...I hate having to explain basics. You'd think a brain would be an absolute minimum requirement for posting in this forum.

Yeah Frank! But go ahead and take another mulligan on that. Laughing

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neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Christ...I hate having to explain basics. You'd think a brain would be an absolute minimum requirement for posting in this forum.
Yeah Frank! But go ahead and take another mulligan on that.

No mulligan needed.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

neologist wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Christ...I hate having to explain basics. You'd think a brain would be an absolute minimum requirement for posting in this forum.
Yeah Frank! But go ahead and take another mulligan on that.

No mulligan needed.

Included in your handicap, I guess. Laughing

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True, Neo. A whiff deserves a mulligan. Go ahead, Frank.

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Have no idea of what you two jokers are going on and on about...but if either of you actually ever gets to the point, I'll be more than delighted to reply.

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Shop talk, Frank! Laughing

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Frank

I have to admit that the old testament seems to have it's problems...

Even if there are explanations to somehow justify the God of the old testament it is what people do who misunderstand the words that create atrocities..

I just wonder if people will commit the same atrocities even without the Bible.

This only indicates the tendencies to commit evil are not created by Bible but are products of human nature.

Do you not think that the new testament begins to deal with some of the issues that are inherent within humanity anyway?

Can a positive understanding of God not help counter an inherent negative understanding?

I find you devalue the touchy feely parts of the Bible to emphasize the more difficult areas...

I will quote a scripture like God is love and you will quote a scripture that God advocate the stoning of people...

If there was no Bible I would still believe God is love?

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RexRed wrote:

Frank

I have to admit that the old testament seems to have it's problems...

That is, the saying goes, putting it mildly. VERY MILDLY.

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Even if there are explanations to somehow justify the God of the old testament it is what people do who misunderstand the words that create atrocities..

I just wonder if people will commit the same atrocities even without the Bible.

I certainly do not think atrocities are committed only because of the Bible...if that is what you think. People...humans...are rather barbaric creatures with or without the Bible to egg them on.

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This only indicates the tendencies to commit evil are not created by Bible but are products of human nature.

No problem. But the advice given by the god of the Bible certainly doesn't help in that regard.

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Do you not think that the new testament begins to deal with some of the issues that are inherent within humanity anyway?

Not really.

One of the things Jesus assured us of was that he was not here to change any of it. And, we cannot forget that Jesus worshipped the god of the Old Testament.

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Can a positive understanding of God not help counter an inherent negative understanding?

A positive understanding of God might. But a positive understanding of the god of the Bible would be nothing by rationalization and denial.

There may be a God...but the god of the Bible, in my opinion, is no closer to that possible God than is Zeus.

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I find you devalue the touchy feely parts of the Bible to emphasize the more difficult areas...

The "touchy feely parts" were written by people like you, Rex...people in denial...people rationalizing the excesses of the god of the Bible.

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I will quote a scripture like God is love and you will quote a scripture that God advocate the stoning of people...

You can find zillions of passages that say the god of the Bible is love. You can quote yourself or any of the other religious zealots in A2K and quote that the god of the Bible is love.

I DEFY YOU TO QUOTE 3 PASSAGES FROM THE BIBLE WHERE THE GOD IS ACTUALLY SPEAKING OR DOING...WHERE THE THRUST OF THE EVENT IS NOT THREATS, PUNISHMENT, KILLING, OR ASKING SOMEONE TO KILL SOMEONE ELSE.

Do it, Rex. Quote something from the Bible that actually has the god on the scene...and not being a scumbag.

I dare you.

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If there was no Bible I would still believe God is love?

Yeah...but I suspect that has to do with the fact that you fear the god of the Bible...and think any God would be like it...and want to suck up to it.

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"If there was no Bible I would still believe God is love?"

Once brainwashed by the bible god, there's no way to start from a blank slate. Impossible.

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Religion what is it's value? What good has it ever done mankind? Rather than ask what is the true religion. I would ask what do we need it for.

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