Which Religion is the One True Religion?

neo, I am asking if you consider eggs fertilized in vitro but not yet implanted into a uterus to be conception and the beginning of life?

Embryos in this stage can be kept cryogenically frozen for years and still be viable.

Geez, don't you guys have anything better to do? I was trying to make a gradual point with neologist and real life, I leave for a few hours, and so many posts end up after it that my original questions were lost.

You guys sure do enjoy debating here.

Let me make my point quickly.

If there are two zygotes, fertilised eggs, in the mother's womb does that mean there are two human lives within her?

If the two zygotes fuse, what do you think happens to the second zygote? Does it die, does the resulting human have two souls? Is the resulting human being two people in one body?

"Seriously, I believe God considers them to be the beginning of human life."


Where is your proof of this other than your imagination?

You're asking me, a person from New Jersey, to answer a question that puzzles the medical community? OY!

But I can give some insight from the bible: Human beings do not have souls apart from their living bodies. In Genesis it says Adam "became a soul." So, as to whether there are two souls or one, I say one personality = one soul.

The bible, having been written for the common man, should probably be interpreted with great care to avoid overintellectualization. Decide for yourself what that means. It obviously means something different to each one here.

neologist wrote:

You're asking me, a person from New Jersey, to answer a question that puzzles the medical community? OY!

Actually, the medical community doesn't really think about it. Most chimeras aren't noticeable.

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But I can give some insight from the bible: Human beings do not have souls apart from their living bodies. In Genesis it says Adam "became a soul." So, as to whether there are two souls or one, I say one personality = one soul.

The bible, having been written for the common man, should probably be interpreted with great care to avoid overintellectualization. Decide for yourself what that means. It obviously means something different to each one here.

Well, here's the thing. If you believe human life begins at conception, you have a problem with two zygotes fusing. Does one human being die to make up the other? Do they both die? Do none of them die?

And then there's the issue of stem cells as stated in the abortion topic. Take them out of the blastocyst, split them into two blastocysts, make sure there's enough cells for sufficient growth and you get twins.

Then there's the issue of identical twins. Fertilised egg becomes two zygotes. Two lives from one human life?

real, Your "moral right" comes from your religion. Morals are established by cultures and are subjective. That's the reason why our forefathers were smart enough to keep religion separate from government, because government makes laws. In any society, you must live by the laws of the land, not the individual morals established by the church.

I didn't say that! Get a grip. Your projections are very tiresome.

Why don't you spend your time at this forum. You might have better luck with it.

Finally, men talk about their penises.
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mesquite wrote:

neo, I am asking if you consider eggs fertilized in vitro but not yet implanted into a uterus to be conception and the beginning of life?

Embryos in this stage can be kept cryogenically frozen for years and still be viable.

My opinion doesn't matter. Remember that I come from New Jersey.

Seriously, I believe God considers them to be the beginning of human life. Are you asking me to prove it? I can't.

But if you're looking for someone to give you a moral license here, it won't be me. And you won't find it in the bible. If you deem it right in your eyes to natter and nitpick with God over the origin of life, go ahead.

And your personal opinion is infallible, because you decided that an embryo is a baby?

Mesquite...and I...if we were "nattering and nitpicking"...were nattering and nitpicking with YOU.

Are you suggesting you are God?

Or are you just mouthing off without thinking again?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Mesquite...and I...if we were "nattering and nitpicking"...were nattering and nitpicking with YOU.

Are you suggesting you are God?

Or are you just mouthing off without thinking again?

Nah! Natter and nitpick with this:
"Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing,
As regards the days when they were formed
And there was not yet one among them."(Psalm 139:16)

neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Mesquite...and I...if we were "nattering and nitpicking"...were nattering and nitpicking with YOU.

Are you suggesting you are God?

Or are you just mouthing off without thinking again?

Nah! Natter and nitpick with this:
"Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing,
As regards the days when they were formed
And there was not yet one among them."(Psalm 139:16)

"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you BUY them from among the neighboring nations. You may also BUY them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves YOU MAY OWN AS CHATTELS, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, MAKING THEM PERPETUAL SLAVES. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen."

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." Leviticus 20:13


"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff


"When you march up to attack a city, first offer terms of peace.
If it agrees to your terms of peace and opens its gates to you,
all the people to be found in it shall serve you in forced labor.
But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you
battle, lay siege to it, and when the Lord, your God, delivers it
into your hand, put every male in it to the sword, but the women
and children and livestock and all else in it that is worth
plunder you may take as your booty and you may use this plunder
of your enemies which the Lord, your God, has given you." Deuteronomy 20:10

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neologist wrote:

Nah! Natter and nitpick with this:
"Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing,
As regards the days when they were formed
And there was not yet one among them."(Psalm 139:16)

"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you BUY them from among the neighboring nations. You may also BUY them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves YOU MAY OWN AS CHATTELS, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, MAKING THEM PERPETUAL SLAVES. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen."

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." Leviticus 20:13


"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death." Deuteronomy 22:18ff


"When you march up to attack a city, first offer terms of peace.
If it agrees to your terms of peace and opens its gates to you,
all the people to be found in it shall serve you in forced labor.
But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead offers you
battle, lay siege to it, and when the Lord, your God, delivers it
into your hand, put every male in it to the sword, but the women
and children and livestock and all else in it that is worth
plunder you may take as your booty and you may use this plunder
of your enemies which the Lord, your God, has given you." Deuteronomy 20:10

And this is an example of?

Neo, Bible God is already on record as approving abortion in the case of adultery. Since you did not comment on this post when I first posted it, perhaps you would care to now.

mesquite wrote:

Neo, Bible God is already on record as approving abortion in the case of adultery. Since you did not comment on this post[/u] when I first posted it, perhaps you would care to now.

The punishment for adultery was death, right?

neologist wrote:

mesquite wrote:

Neo, Bible God is already on record as approving abortion in the case of adultery. Since you did not comment on this post[/u] when I first posted it, perhaps you would care to now.

The punishment for adultery was death, right?

No, "the law of jealousies". You must have missed the link "this post" in blue above"