Which Religion is the One True Religion?

cicerone imposter wrote:

neo, You're projecting again. Unless you can support your ridiculous assumptions where I made such a statement, please refrain from making such stupid ones.

You didn't make any such statement. I just know you're an old geezer.

Older'n me even. Really old.

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neologist wrote:

Hair splitting again.
Hope they don't someday decide that life ends at the start of Alzheimers. Me'n you would be in big trouble, CI.

I recommend to anyone who thinks it's okay to define away the personhood of an individual when they are inconvenient or in the way----BE CAREFUL THAT YOU NEVER GROW OLD OR SICK. Your friends and family just may take your beliefs seriously when you never thought they would.

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real life wrote:

neologist wrote:
Hair splitting again.
Hope they don't someday decide that life ends at the start of Alzheimers. Me'n you would be in big trouble, CI.

I recommend to anyone who thinks it's okay to define away the personhood of an individual when they are inconvenient or in the way----BE CAREFUL THAT YOU NEVER GROW OLD OR SICK. Your friends and family just may take your beliefs seriously when you never thought they would.

I recommend to anyone who thinks it is okay to define personhood in a way that allows him to look like he is on a holy campaign to save life...when in fact he is merely trying to justify inappropriate intrusion into difficult personal decision making...(and trying to ass-kiss his silly gods)...to read the novel Don Quixote...and perhaps also to look up the word "hypocrite" in the dictionary.

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real life wrote:

neologist wrote:
Hair splitting again.
Hope they don't someday decide that life ends at the start of Alzheimers. Me'n you would be in big trouble, CI.

I recommend to anyone who thinks it's okay to define away the personhood of an individual when they are inconvenient or in the way----BE CAREFUL THAT YOU NEVER GROW OLD OR SICK. Your friends and family just may take your beliefs seriously when you never thought they would.

I'm sorry, but I'm putting my foot down right now.

This is the last and final straw. Ignoring questions, misinterpreting straightforward sentences and extrapolating where there is nothing to extrapolate.

When, real life, neologist, do you two think true human life begins?

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

I'm sorry, but I'm putting my foot down right now.

This is the last and final straw. Ignoring questions, misinterpreting straightforward sentences and extrapolating where there is nothing to extrapolate.

When, real life, neologist, do you two think true human life begins?

My; what big feet you have, Wolfie. . .

OK, life begins at conception. That's my final answer and I'm stickin to it.

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Human life? So a human being is created at conception. That is your view. Am I right?

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neologist wrote:

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Hair splitting again.
Hope they don't someday decide that life ends at the start of Alzheimers. Me'n you would be in big trouble, CI

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In my opinion the onset of Alzheimers is indeed the beginning of death.I certainly would rather die than be sustained in the late stages of an affliction that can only be termed living death.

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au1929 wrote:

neologist wrote:

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Hair splitting again.
Hope they don't someday decide that life ends at the start of Alzheimers. Me'n you would be in big trouble, CI
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In my opinion the onset of Alzheimers is indeed the beginning of death.I certainly would rather die than be sustained in the late stages of an affliction that can only be termed living death.

At what stage of Alzheimers would you prefer termination? Who should make the decision?

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neologist
That is my personal opinion. As for at what stage. The stage at which I can no longer function. As to who should make that determination. It could be defined and included in ones living will.

It would seem we have more consideration for our pets than for people. Would we subject our pets to that which we subject people?

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neologist wrote:

OK, life begins at conception. That's my final answer and I'm stickin to it.

OK, now what do you mean by conception? Does that include IVF?

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neologist wrote:

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OK, life begins at conception. That's my final answer and I'm stickin to it.

You have every right to your opinion. However, you have no right to foist it on anyone else. That is something the schmuck in the White House and the religious community will not accept.

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amen!

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au1929 wrote:

neologist wrote:

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OK, life begins at conception. That's my final answer and I'm stickin to it.

You have every right to your opinion. However, you have no right to foist it on anyone else. That is something the schmuck in the White House and the religious community will not accept.

Is it an opinion or a fact that the baby has a beating heart by the 3-4 week in utero?

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real, That's not the issue! The issue is, "you have no right to foist your belief on another person." There are plenty of children already alive with "beating hearts." Do something for them. They need all the help they can get.

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C.I.

Unfortunately the only opinion that seems to count with the intolerant followers of religion is their own. I guess it is inevitable that those who follow religion would pick up it's most dominant trait. "Intolerance"

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real life wrote:

Is it an opinion or a fact that the baby has a beating heart by the 3-4 week in utero?

IT IS AN OPINION that it is a "baby."

And...it is an incorrect opinion, at that.

There most assuredly is activity and motion in an embryo.

But that activity does not make an egg a goddam chicken.

Why can't you get that through your thick skull?

And it is because of this kind of bullshyt...that folks like ci, au....and me...will fight you religious nuts forever, if necessary.

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real life wrote:

Is it an opinion or a fact that the baby has a beating heart by the 3-4 week in utero?

real life, you feel the EXACT same way about an embryo that is 1 second old. You stated this plain as day.

So why do you keep faltering back to this?

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maporsche wrote:

real life wrote:

Is it an opinion or a fact that the baby has a beating heart by the 3-4 week in utero?

real life, you feel the EXACT same way about an embryo that is 1 second old. You stated this plain as day.

So why do you keep faltering back to this?

Hi maporsche,

Absolutely I do believe that life begins at conception. I do not fall back from this position.

But I do recognize the positions that others have. Some see the development of a beating heart (3-4 weeks) as a significant milepost that denotes human life. And they are pro-life from that point forward.

Others see the development of the functioning brain (5-7 weeks) as that type of milepost. And they are pro-life from that point forward.

When others do not share my view from a religious standpoint, I think most people can understand from at least a medical standpoint that this is a living human being we are talking about. So if someone cannot come all the way over to my position perhaps they can at least share part of it. And many do.

The radical position of supporting abortion thru all 9 months of pregnancy is, I think, a very small minority position. And the more information people have regarding fetal development , the more and the earlier pro-life they tend to become.

In my experience, it has been the extreme pro-abortion crowd that wants to keep people in the dark regarding what abortion procedures actually are, and what the medical facts regarding the baby inside the womb are.

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real life wrote:

When others do not share my view from a religious standpoint, I think most people can understand from at least a medical standpoint that this is a living human being we are talking about.

No....it most definitely is NOT a living human being. It is an embryo...or at some point, a fetus. BUT IT IS NOT A LIVING HUMAN BEING.

If, and when, it gets born....it will be a living human being...and not before.

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So if someone cannot come all the way over to my position perhaps they can at least share part of it. And many do.

Anyone who does....is out of their mind.

You nuts are out to terminate a woman's right to abort a pregnancy if she chooses. Give you nut cases an inch...and you will eventually take a mile.

Best to fight you at every turn.

And I hope you are happy that it is people like you who harden so many of us into our positions....so that we are unwilling to give in areas where, if you nuts could be trusted, we might be willing to give.

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The radical position of supporting abortion thru all 9 months of pregnancy is, I think, a very small minority position.

And because of people like you....it is becoming larger.

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And the more information people have regarding fetal development , the more and the earlier pro-life they tend to become.

Give me a goddam break! That is such self-serving pap it bearly warrants a response. In any case, enough of us are champions of a woman's right to have dominion over her own body to keep you people in check.

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In my experience, it has been the extreme pro-abortion crowd that wants to keep people in the dark regarding what abortion procedures actually are, and what the medical facts regarding the baby inside the womb are.

That is not your experience...that is more self-serving bullshyt.

An abortion is a medical procedure. It is, for the most part, an agonizing decision for a woman. To have people like you making the decision even more agnonizing disgusts me...and most people with a brain.

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