Which Religion is the One True Religion?

cicerone imposter wrote:

Some people refuse to read what is posted, and assume their own interpretation. So, I repost a segment of my above post.

"That tiny growth, that mass of protoplasm, exists as a part of a woman's body. It is not an independently existing, biologically formed organism, let alone a person."

Well now that you put it in bold print, why it makes perfect sense! Wonder why I didn't see that before?

Maybe you should post everything in bold, Imposter. Bold print seems to do Frank a world of good. Quite cathartic, I would think. So much classier than typing in all caps !

If you cannot recognize that a baby in utero with it's own DNA, it's own beating heart, etc is not a part of the mother, well I don't know what to tell you except that you are willing to hold to this man's opinion, whoever he is, as if it were the Voice of God talking to you.

Just keep repeating his words to yourself, maybe you'll be able to keep having faith in him.

Meanwhile these little blobs you are trying so hard to ignore are being sliced and dismembered, burnt and sucked into vacuum cleaners every day. You would be jailed if you treated a kitten or puppy that way.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Some people refuse to read what is posted, and assume their own interpretation. So, I repost a segment of my above post.

"That tiny growth, that mass of protoplasm, exists as a part of a woman's body. It is not an independently existing, biologically formed organism, let alone a person."

Re-post it enough times and maybe it will become true. Or not.

Are you saying that the fertilized egg does not become a unique organism until some point later in gestation? At what point does it suddenly inherit the characteristics of its parents?

I won't judge those who perform abortions. It's not my job.

Calling the mother the 'host'. Clever. We should rid the world of parasites.

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All in all, I have little quarrel with abortion. The only aspect of it with which I cannot agree is its employment as ex post facto contraception. Given the current state of medical technology, and the accumulated knowledge of the human reproductive process, unintendeded pregnancy, at least in the developed world, other than that resulting from criminal activity, is simple negligence.

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timber, What you say is true, except teenage pregnancy happens because they are still children without the maturity for responsibility.

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timberlandko wrote:

All in all, I have little quarrel with abortion. The only aspect of it with which I cannot agree is its employment as ex post facto contraception. Given the current state of medical technology, and the accumulated knowledge of the human reproductive process, unintendeded pregnancy, at least in the developed world, other than that resulting from criminal activity, is simple negligence.

Good evening Timber. Good to have you back. And I appreciate your clear and unemotional posts.

I would be the last to picket an abortion clinic or even insist that abortions should be ruled illegal. But I can't see how we could escape the conclusion that this is human life we are dealing with. It doesn't matter what you call it.

I'm waiting for the secular humanist to take up the cudgel. Or will the pharisaical freemartins of feminism carry the day?

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neologist wrote:

I'm waiting for the secular humanist to take up the cudgel. Or will the pharisaical freemartins of feminism carry the day?

The secular humanist ? There's only one of them ? You should talk to georgeob1, he thinks there's many and that they are conspiring against the very fabric of our god-fearing society.

Now, pharisaical freemartins of feminism may have a ring you liked when you wrote it, but it is a thoroughly scurrilous, and invidious characterization. Freemartins are sterile, so do you imply that feminists are sterile ? Is that your christian charity shining through ? Do you hate feminists so much ?

Sad, Boss, truly sad . . .

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Wow, Setanta is here too. Great! I like the way the pharisaical phrase rolls off my tongue. And yes, I do believe that feminists are quite often sterile intellectually. Many have such a singular devotion to their cause, it almost becomes a (shudder) religion!

That being said, I am quite against any philosophy which places a woman in a role less worthy than that of a man. Does that help?

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Does nothing for me, and i doubt that it helps your "karma" . . . intellectually sterile ? What the hell is that supposed to mean ? You really don't like them girls, do ya ?

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neologist wrote:

Wow, Setanta is here too. Great! I like the way the pharisaical phrase rolls off my tongue. And yes, I do believe that feminists are quite often sterile intellectually. Many have such a singular devotion to their cause, it almost becomes a (shudder) religion!

That being said, I am quite against any philosophy which places a woman in a role less worthy than that of a man. Does that help?

So, based on your post above, you also think that religion is full of intellectually sterile individuals then.

We agree. Very Happy

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real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
By the way....what was it that Jesus said about abortion?

Lemme think.

Oh yeah....now I remember.

!

Perhaps He might have said, if asked, "What part of 'Thou shalt not kill' do you not understand?"

He didn't say anything about abortion.

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neologist wrote:

OK, I used the wrong word again. Call it slaughter!

Nope.

"Slaughter" is what your god does to the babies of Egypt....the real babies.

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timberlandko wrote:

All in all, I have little quarrel with abortion. The only aspect of it with which I cannot agree is its employment as ex post facto contraception. Given the current state of medical technology, and the accumulated knowledge of the human reproductive process, unintendeded pregnancy, at least in the developed world, other than that resulting from criminal activity, is simple negligence.

If you consider abortion a morally defensible action, what does it matter when and for what purpose it is used?

Where in the process does it lose it's morality if employed as birth control, (which is exactly how it is used most of the time) and it remains somehow moral if used otherwise ?

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real life wrote:

timberlandko wrote:
All in all, I have little quarrel with abortion. The only aspect of it with which I cannot agree is its employment as ex post facto contraception. Given the current state of medical technology, and the accumulated knowledge of the human reproductive process, unintendeded pregnancy, at least in the developed world, other than that resulting from criminal activity, is simple negligence.

If you consider abortion a morally defensible action, what does it matter when and for what purpose it is used?

Where in the process does it lose it's morality if employed as birth control, (which is exactly how it is used most of the time) and it remains somehow moral if used otherwise ?

Well, let's put it this way.

If the baby has a birth defect that makes it impossible for it to live when it is outside of the mother, then why not kill it before it is born? It's going to die the moment it's born, might as well not make the mother go through the trauma of seeing its dead, deformed body.

Complete anti-abortion campaigns have the presumption that there will never be life-threatening birth defects that do not get selected against in the womb.

Of course, we must make abortion legal. If it weren't legal, it would go underground and that would be dangerous.

Hopefully one day there won't be any need for contraceptive abortions, only for those that are necessary from a medical point of view.

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real life wrote:

If you consider abortion a morally defensible action, what does it matter when and for what purpose it is used?

Where in the process does it lose it's morality if employed as birth control, (which is exactly how it is used most of the time) and it remains somehow moral if used otherwise ?

Replace abortion with murder in the quote above and tell me if you still agree.

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which is exactly how it is used most of the time

I would like to see some proof of this statement being true. Otherwise, don't post such garbage.

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Legal abortion is very dangerous now.

The baby dies. Does it get more dangerous if it's illegal?

Birth defects that were considered 100% fatal not so long ago, now are being repaired, sometimes in utero. Using birth defects as an excuse for abortion is a flimsy defense indeed.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

neologist wrote:
OK, I used the wrong word again. Call it slaughter!

Nope.

"Slaughter" is what your god does to the babies of Egypt....the real babies.

Why do you assume the first born were all babies? Or, do you use the word for its emotional effect?

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maporsche wrote:

neologist wrote:
Wow, Setanta is here too. Great! I like the way the pharisaical phrase rolls off my tongue. And yes, I do believe that feminists are quite often sterile intellectually. Many have such a singular devotion to their cause, it almost becomes a (shudder) religion!

That being said, I am quite against any philosophy which places a woman in a role less worthy than that of a man. Does that help?

So, based on your post above, you also think that religion is full of intellectually sterile individuals then.

We agree.

Surprise! So do I. Read some of my posts going the other way.

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maporsche wrote:

real life wrote:

which is exactly how it is used most of the time

I would like to see some proof of this statement being true. Otherwise, don't post such garbage.

Do you think most women have abortions because they want to have a baby, or because they do not?

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real life wrote:

maporsche wrote:
real life wrote:

which is exactly how it is used most of the time

I would like to see some proof of this statement being true. Otherwise, don't post such garbage.

Do you think most women have abortions because they want to have a baby, or because they do not?

That is not an answer to the challenge Maporsche presented.

If you have some proof of your statement that abortion is used most of the time as a contraception devise...present it. Don't pretend that it is obvious on its face....because it isn't.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

real life wrote:
maporsche wrote:
real life wrote:

which is exactly how it is used most of the time

I would like to see some proof of this statement being true. Otherwise, don't post such garbage.

Do you think most women have abortions because they want to have a baby, or because they do not?

That is not an answer to the challenge Maporsche presented.

If you have some proof of your statement that abortion is used most of the time as a contraception devise...present it. Don't pretend that it is obvious on its face....because it isn't.

It is painfully obvious to the children who are dismembered and discarded simply because they were inconvenient or the ma and pa "forgot" to use regular contraception. Very painfully obvious.

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