Which Religion is the One True Religion?

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

No I do not....because in order to do that, I would have to pretend to know stuff I simply do not know. You religious folks apparently have no trouble doing all that pretending.

Frank,

Why do you assume that just because you lack knowledge of something that others lack it too ?

Isn't it possible for someone to know or understand something that you do not?

Or have you got the market cornered on knowledge and understanding ?

Oh Life...once you start down this path of creating straw men...it is a hard thing to stop.

You know goddam well I am not suggesting any of that at all. In fact, the very next thing I said in that posting was:

"I do not know if there is a God...I do not know if there are no gods....I do not have enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess.

I suspect neither do you....but I also suspect you are in such terror of the barbaric cartoon god of the Bible that you cannot acknowledge that. "

That stuff is a guess. I identify it as a guess. Earlier, Beth asked me that very point....and I answered her question without equivocation.

Try for the truth, Life. Try thinking. You won't hurt yourself.

Oh...and by the way, Life...if you are suggesting that myk guess is wrong...that you KNOW there is a God...

....perhaps you will entertain the rest of us by telling us howl you know!

Frank Apisa wrote:

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

No I do not....because in order to do that, I would have to pretend to know stuff I simply do not know. You religious folks apparently have no trouble doing all that pretending.

Frank,

Why do you assume that just because you lack knowledge of something that others lack it too ?

Isn't it possible for someone to know or understand something that you do not?

Or have you got the market cornered on knowledge and understanding ?

Oh Life...once you start down this path of creating straw men...it is a hard thing to stop.

You know goddam well I am not suggesting any of that at all. In fact, the very next thing I said in that posting was:

"I do not know if there is a God...I do not know if there are no gods....I do not have enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess.

I suspect neither do you....but I also suspect you are in such terror of the barbaric cartoon god of the Bible that you cannot acknowledge that. "

That stuff is a guess. I identify it as a guess. Earlier, Beth asked me that very point....and I answered her question without equivocation.

Try for the truth, Life. Try thinking. You won't hurt yourself.

Nobody has a problem with your assertion that you do not know God. Nobody has tried to contradict it or has any grounds for doing so, as far as I can tell.

What is a problem is when you try to assert that others pretend knowing God.

Again then I will ask, why do you assume others lack just because you do?

How can you determine if they know someone that you do not know?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Oh...and by the way, Life...if you are suggesting that myk guess is wrong...that you KNOW there is a God...

....perhaps you will entertain the rest of us by telling us howl you know!

If anyone is wanting to know God, it is very simple.

How do you "know" or establish a relationship with anyone?

If you want to know God, begin to talk to Him. The more you talk with Him, the better you will know Him.

It is the same as getting to know anyone else that you would come to know.

If there is something you don't understand about Him, talk to Him about it. Maybe you will begin to understand a little better, (or in some cases maybe you won't. There are people that I've known all my life that I still don't understand very well, but I still have good relations with them. Knowing God is much the same ).

If you really want to develop common ground, learn to love what He loves, and have the same interests as He has.

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Oh...and by the way, Life...if you are suggesting that myk guess is wrong...that you KNOW there is a God...

....perhaps you will entertain the rest of us by telling us howl you know!

If anyone is wanting to know God, it is very simple.

How do you "know" or establish a relationship with anyone?

If you want to know God, begin to talk to Him. The more you talk with Him, the better you will know Him.

It is the same as getting to know anyone else that you would come to know.

If there is something you don't understand about Him, talk to Him about it. Maybe you will begin to understand a little better, (or in some cases maybe you won't. There are people that I've known all my life that I still don't understand very well, but I still have good relations with them. Knowing God is much the same ).

If you really want to develop common ground, learn to love what He loves, and have the same interests as He has.

Yeah...you can do that with Zeus or the Tooth Fairy also. You can do that with Santa Claus.

IF you are saying that you KNOW there is a God....tell us how you know. Don't tell us how you can delude yourself into thinking there is a God. We already know that.

I can't help it . . . i just crack up every time i see your screen name . . .

Frank Apisa wrote:

real life wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Oh...and by the way, Life...if you are suggesting that myk guess is wrong...that you KNOW there is a God...

....perhaps you will entertain the rest of us by telling us howl you know!

If anyone is wanting to know God, it is very simple.

How do you "know" or establish a relationship with anyone?

If you want to know God, begin to talk to Him. The more you talk with Him, the better you will know Him.

It is the same as getting to know anyone else that you would come to know.

If there is something you don't understand about Him, talk to Him about it. Maybe you will begin to understand a little better, (or in some cases maybe you won't. There are people that I've known all my life that I still don't understand very well, but I still have good relations with them. Knowing God is much the same ).

If you really want to develop common ground, learn to love what He loves, and have the same interests as He has.

Yeah...you can do that with Zeus or the Tooth Fairy also. You can do that with Santa Claus.

IF you are saying that you KNOW there is a God....tell us how you know. Don't tell us how you can delude yourself into thinking there is a God. We already know that.

Your last two posts are contradictory Frank.

In the first, you deny that you have asserted that religious people pretend that they know God. (If they read your previous post, it is clear that denial is what you're into, because you did assert it.)

In the second, you assert someone has deluded themselves if they think there is a God.

You may not see your contradiction Frank but it is pretty clear.

You are clearly presuming that YOU are the arbiter of what someone knows or even can know.

A reasonable agnostic position for you would be "I, Frank Apisa, do not know God."

Beyond that you are presuming omniscience.

... you present as rebuttal a Non Causa Pro Causa logical fallacy, spefically that of Petitio Principii, using invalid argument by way of attempt to bolster your presentation and defense of your central proposition, a presentation and defense which falls to the same fallacy. If what you have brought to this discussion so far were graded classwork in forensics or logic, your academicstanding would be critically endangered; you've earned yourself a straight "F" for every meeting of the class. Fortunately for you that isn't the case. There is value in the entertainment you so dependably provide in this discussion.

On the other hand, that pretty mucj is the point; you so far have done neither yourself nor your central proposition any service whatsoever, but rather have exposed both to ridicule. While your sincerity is unquestionable, your presentation is fatally flawed; forensically, logically, it fails from the outset.

Now, mind you, I don't say this of you, or of your proposition, but merely criticize your presentation and defense of that proposition.

Frank, It's not a matter about ability to read. There are too many well educated people who believe in the bible god. It's a special kind of skill where they are able to read through all the contradictions and believe there's a consistent message there.