Which Religion is the One True Religion?

I don't know how thunder came to be a believer, but I was quite comfortable in my disbelief and did not accept the truth wihout considerable resistance.

The difference for me was my willingness to be taught even if it meant making some uncomfortable changes.

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is pleonastic a redundant word?

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Just a word I used because I like the sound.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

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thunder; I hardly think Frank has come about his disbelief without considerable meditation. What puzzles me are his pleonastic attacks on religion. I suspect he has a certain envy for those of us who have a legitimate hope.

What I don't get is that for some reason, he thinks my conclusions have only come from some guy in a robe, or my parents.

A case for a creator is a book that you seriously need to read.

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If the "existence of God is more than likely", could you put a figure on that?

90%?

65%?

No, but the possibility of there being a God is the best explanation for our miraculous existence.

Gimme a goddam break, will ya.

One...our existence is "miraculous" only if you arbitrarily designate it as such.

And to assert that "...the possibility of there being a God is the best explanation" for it is pure self-serving, gratuitous nonsense.

I exist. That appears certain to me.

Why do I exist?

I have no idea?

Is it necessary for their to be a God for me to exist?

I don't really know....but it sure as hell does not appear to be necessary.

Is it conceivable that I exist....everyone else exists....and all this stuff exists....and that a God does not exist?

Sure it is conceivable. Sure it is possible.

Is it likely....or is the reverse more likely?

Beats the shyt out of me. I know my theists friends seem to think one way and my atheistic friends seem to think the other way....but I see no reasonable arguments to convince me to guess in either direction.

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If I call it belief, I will get attacked, if I call it faith, I will be called blind, if I concede, it will be ill-reasoned...I think that I'm in a no-win situation surrounded by these people who refuse to try and see my point of view.

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Most of us have already been "through" your point of view. We somehow grew out of the religious rhetoric and decided logic and science may have more weight in how we decide truths.

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If you rely on science for all you know, you will come short on your journey for knowledge. Sure science will find naturalistic truths, but will it find the ultimate truth? I think not.

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There is no such thing as "ultimate truth." That's a religious concept.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

If you rely on science for all you know, you will come short on your journey for knowledge. Sure science will find naturalistic truths, but will it find the ultimate truth? I think not.

I agree.

But what makes you suppose that blind adherence to a set of beliefs will?

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I never said science was the ultimate truth. "....decided logic and science may have more weight in how we decide truths."

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According to the bible, the earth is five to six thousand years old.

According to science, the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

On the matter of the age of the earth, I trust science to be more accurate, because science is able to provide physical evidence in many different forms.

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According to some science it is billions of years old, and according to other science, it is thousands. There are many problems with a billions of years theory.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

According to some science it is billions of years old, and according to other science, it is thousands.
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Are you saying that there are scientists who claim the world is only a few thousand years old????

Are they in or out of mental institutions?

C'mon, Thunder.

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There are many problems with a billions of years theory.

Name two?

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frank, We all know thunder will provide the names of scientists who are also christians - without much credibility in the scientific world.

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thunder, Try most scientists.

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correction of dupl post. Embarrassed

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i think one of the mainstays of religion is all those questions that science cant explain or at least, could not explain at the time of that religion's inception.

if darwin was born some 6000 years ago and observed what he later did, then we would not have had all these gobbledegok evolution theories and religious takes on the date of the earth and man's creation.

and the religions which did expain with arcane myths what the science of those days couldn't - wouldn't probably have had as many followers - surely not those that took to it by being impressed with the esoteric and scientifically impossible (today's science) explainations.

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True ci

TR I'm not picking on you. I dont think anyone else is either, although I can understand why you might think they are.

Most people respect other people's deeply held religious beliefs and dont challenge them, if for no other reason so as not to cause unnecessary offence.

But unfortunately I think it is time to end this gentlemanly stand off. The fact is that religion has always inspired and still inspires today acts of the most heinous kind. The tsunami last year was not an act of God, but the attacks of 911 were certainly motivated by a fanatical desire to do the will of Allah.

Was 911 an act of God?

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Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

Most people respect other people's deeply held religious beliefs and dont challenge them, if for no other reason so as not to cause unnecessary offence.

But unfortunately I think it is time to end this gentlemanly stand off. The fact is that religion has always inspired and still inspires today acts of the most heinous kind. The tsunami last year was not an act of God, but the attacks of 911 were certainly motivated by a fanatical desire to do the will of Allah.

Was 911 an act of God?

Absolutely right Steve, and just to emphasize the point, please look at this post.

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Thanks Mesquite

I've had various run-ins with Muslim1. I'm not surprised he posts justifications for the murder of people who change their ideas.

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