@RonPrice,
RonPrice wrote:The Baha'i Faith makes the claim that Christ has returned, and the Christian generally says "no way."
Well, we are now in Christ's presence (parousia), often referred to as Christ's 'coming'. This took place at the end of the seven times prophesied in Daniel chapter 4. Are you familiar with it? If you believe the Bible to be inspired, you should take note. It corresponds to the "appointed times of the nations " mentioned by Jesus in Luke 21:24.
It does not correspond with the teachings the Bāb.
@neologist,
Go to this link for some content in relation to prophecy and the Book of Daniel---and the Baha'i Faith.-Ron
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http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/bahai-faith-bahai-faith-missing-prophecy
@neologist,
Quote:It does not correspond with the teachings the Bāb.
What does it correspond with neo?
@spendius,
You might like to do some basic reading on the Baha'i Faith at its official international site at:
http://bahai.org/
@RonPrice,
I though you might say something like that.
@spendius,
I wrote:It does not correspond with the teachings the Bāb.
spendius wrote:What does it correspond with neo?
Are you at all familiar with Baha'i teachings? Correct me if I'm wrong. but they do not believe Jesus' death provided the ransom for mankind from Adamic sin; and they believe God continued to send messengers after Jesus, including Mohammed and the Bāb. Well, IMHO, Jehovah had only one firstborn, one perfect life to substitute for Adam. I say IMHO, but well supported by the Bible.
I believe in a creator God. I believe Jesus was man who walked the Earth and gave us a blueprint on how we should live our lives. I believe he was crucified for standing up for his beliefs and threatening the established Church's bottom line. That's the only reason I need to respect him. All the other crap is just that, created by "Christians" to establish themselves as a powerful entity. I could be wrong.
@blueveinedthrobber,
But the Christians needed to establish themselves as a powerful entity, blue, in order to prevent Jesus being forgotten along with His blueprint.
Had that not happened you would never have heard of Him and nobody knows where we would be now had it not.
@spendius,
spendius wrote:But the Christians needed to establish themselves as a powerful entity, blue, in order to prevent Jesus being forgotten along with His blueprint.
Had that not happened you would never have heard of Him and nobody knows where we would be now had it not.
An interesting comment by Jesus when he was told to silence his followers:
Quote:(Luke 19:40) . . .But in reply he said: “I tell YOU, If these remained silent, the stones would cry out.. . .
A Christian denomination is an identifiable religious body under a common name, structure, and doctrine within Christianity. Some groups included do not consider themselves a denomination (e.g., the Catholic Church considers itself the one true church and the Apostolic See, and as pre-denominational). Some groups viewed by non-adherents as denominational actively resist being called a denomination and do not have any formal denominational structure, authority, or record-keeping beyond the local congregation; several groups within Restoration Movement fall into this category.
Some groups are large (e.g. Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans or Baptists), while others are just a few small churches, and in most cases the relative size is not evident in this list. Modern movements such as Fundamentalist Christianity, Pietism, Evangelicalism, Pentecostalism and the Holiness movement sometimes cross denominational lines, or in some cases create new denominations out of two or more continuing groups, (as is the case for many United and uniting churches, for example). Such subtleties and complexities are not clearly depicted here.
This is not a complete list, but aims to provide a comprehensible overview of the diversity among denominations of Christianity. As there are reported to be approximately 41,000 Christian denominations (figure includes overlap between countries), many of which cannot be verified to be significant, only those denominations with Wikipedia articles will be listed in order to ensure that all entries on this list are notable and verifiable.
Within all these groups there is immense diversity of belief vis-à-vis Christ and His teachings.-Ron
@blueveinedthrobber,
When you say, blueveinedthrobber, that you "believe in a creator God, that Jesus was a man who walked the Earth and gave people a blueprint on how they should live their lives, that he was crucified for standing up for his beliefs and threatening the established Church's bottom line, that's the only reason you need to respect him, and that all the other crap is just that, created by "Christians" to establish themselves as a powerful entity," I think you are partly right and partly wrong. Belief is in some ways quite a complex subject, although whom the gods would destroy they first make simple, then simpler and then simplest.-Ron
@RonPrice,
Whom the gods would destroy, the first make mad. It appears that the gods are out to get you.
Quote:Ron said: Belief is in some ways quite a complex subject
Nah mate this seemsd simple enough to understand..
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Jesus said:
"Love God, love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor" (Mark 12:30, John 13:34, Matt 25: 37-40)
But you're right about the many Christian denominations and cults who think only THEY are right. They're a disgrace the way they twist and distort the Bible to suit their own cockamamie beliefs, they're "spiritual perverts"-
"If anyone preaches a perverted gospel they're accursed" (Gal 1:6-9)
"Beware men who spoil you with enticing words, deceitful philosophy not after Christ" (Col 2:4-8 )
"Ignorant people distort things,to their own destruction" (2 Pet 3:16/17)
@Romeo Fabulini,
Dont forget those that make huge amounts of money by selling their own literature and ideology like Ray Comfort and other exploitative millionaire evangelists.
Theres a career for you right there Mick.
Quote:Calamity said: Dont forget those that make huge amounts of money by selling their own literature and ideology like Ray Comfort and other exploitative millionaire evangelists.
Theres a career for you right there Mick
TRUE Christians give cash away, not rake it in..
"Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit" (2 Cor 2:17)
As for the phoney TV evangelists, they probably think to themselves "If people are mug enough to give me money, I'm certainly not mug enough to turn it down"..
And it's not only them who rake it in, for example the catholic church is sitting on millions in its vaults.
I post the following from a book entitled Echoes of an Autobiography by Naguib Mahfouz.
Naguib Mahfouz, the 85-year-old Egyptian Nobel Prize-winner best known for his Cairo Trilogy, packs a lifetime of wisdom and reverence into this slim new book. This is not a dry, academic "I was born here, studied there" recounting, but a series of half-page meditations which capture the essence of a writer deeply tuned in to the spirituality of the everyday.
Fellow Nobel Laureate Nadine Gordimer writes in her introduction to the book that "For Mahfouz life is a search in which one must find one's own sign-posts." Throughout his remembrances, anecdotes, allegorical and mystical tales, Mahfouz concludes that rapture is found in being constantly open to the world, and that the most perfect moment in one's life may well be in "the fleeting look of contentment under the date palm" which is "the secret of life and its light." The entries are filled with a constant struggle between polarized ways of living: between the need for order and the freedom of anarchy, between the pureness of abstinence and the humanity of sensuality, between the urge to examine everything and the contentment of letting life flow.
The latter part of the book is taken up with the musings of a mythical Sheikh abd-Rabbih al-Ta'ih, a mystical figure who dwells in a desert cave that he refers to as a "tavern" because friends gathered there get drunk on the joy of communing with like-minded spirits. The Sheikh acts as a medium for Mahfouz to distill his Sufi-infused philosophy, a vision of acceptance, tolerance and a constant striving for the spiritual.
"The nearest man comes to his Lord is when he is exercising his freedom correctly," the Sheikh tells his followers. As the end of the book approaches, the entries get smaller and the pronouncements more precise, until they finally take on a Confucian simplicity. "As you love, so will you be," reads one entry called "The Secret." With "Echoes of an Autobiography," Mahfouz has produced a fascinating and thought-provoking meditation on memory, love, spirituality and the eventuality of death. As the Sheikh says of Mahfouz, "O God, bestow upon him a good conclusion, which is love."
—Robert Spillman
Robert Spillman writes for The New York Times Book Review, among other publications.
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Though titled Echoes of an Autobiography, the echoes in this collection are very faint indeed. That isn't necessarily a bad thing: in this tell-all and bare-all age an elliptical and spare variation on the theme is a welcome change. But Mahfouz's book ultimately strays too far away from the personal.
Echoes of an Autobiography consists of short prose-pieces, each with a separate title. Few are more than a page in length, some essentially just a single sentence. Some two-thirds of the book does focus on the first-person experiences and memories of the author: brief scenes from a life. With the appearance of Sheik Abd-Rabbih al-Ta'ih then there is a shift, as this wise man's wisdom is then presented -- first related from the author's point of view, but then only presented as: "Sheik Abd-Rabbih al-Ta'ih said:".
Mahfouz's memories and reflections offer intriguing but also frustratingly incomplete glimpses from his life, and in particular his youth. Episodes, loves, dreams are all too often only briefly recounted. Rarely does a piece offer greater obvious insight, though a few do -- "An Unwritten Letter" nicely considers the fate of Mahfouz and two of his childhood friends who all parted ways at the age of nine, one now an important judge, the other just sentenced to death for a murder.
The sections offering the wisdom of Sheik Abd-Rabbih al-Ta'ih are also not entirely satisfactory, his pearls probably not to everyone's liking (or understanding). One can read a good deal into some of these sayings, but they are of a playful religious-mystic sort that might not satisfy those used to more precise expression. (No doubt, there are also translation-issues here, which further complicate matters.) So, for example, among the Sheikh's offerings:
The nearest man comes to his Lord is when he is exercising his freedom correctly.
Or:
With the inhalation of the universe and its exhalation, all joys and pains are in raptures.
Or:
If you are afflicted with doubt, then look at length in the mirror of your self.
There are also genuinely touching and thoughtful pieces in this collection -- and it's loose and short enough that readers can easily breeze through it, likely finding parts that appeal.
Gobbledygook . . . complete babble . . . the human capacity for self-delusion is limitless.
@Setanta,
I've heard people say the same thing about (i) the Bible, (ii) the Koran, and (iii) Shakespeare, among other wonderful pieces of literature. The reaction of one person to a piece of writing is just that "one person's reaction." And it is no more.-Ron