Which Religion is the One True Religion?

RealLife said:

So if you do not think that there are Moral Absolutes in the questions of (for example) murder, rape, theft, pedophilia ---- are you stating that those things are not morally wrong in some or all times and places?


Correct. You understood me.

RealLife said:

So if you do not think that there are Moral Absolutes in the questions of (for example) murder, rape, theft, pedophilia ---- are you stating that those things are not morally wrong in some or all times and places?


Correct. You understood me.

Snood, I'm saying that in certain circumstances those things would not be wrong to me personally. In certain circumstances I could murder without feeling morally wrong. It is not hypothetical. I think we just disagree and come from different perspectives.
I've found that morality changes with circumstance, age, experience. It is not Absolute, but a matter of what works.
There are Life Laws to follow in order to survive in the best possible way: but that is not a question of morality for me.

Snood, I'm saying that in certain circumstances those things would not be wrong to me personally. In certain circumstances I could murder without feeling morally wrong. It is not hypothetical. I think we just disagree and come from different perspectives.
I've found that morality changes with circumstance, age, experience. It is not Absolute, but a matter of what works.
There are Life Laws to follow in order to survive in the best possible way: but that is not a question of morality for me.

Which is the happiest day in one's life? All are happy days to a person of true knowledge. Happiness is a conscious internal experience which is an effect of the extinction of all mental and physical desires. The lesser the desires, the greater is the happiness. Therefore, perfect happiness consists in the merger of all desires in the Absolute Being. The mind has no independent identity of its own. It is a conglomeration of the desires that sprout from the impulses. A cloth is essentially a bundle of threads. Threads are basically spun from cotton. Similarly, desires arise from basic impulses, and the mind is constituted of these desires. Just as a piece of cloth disintegrates if threads in it are pulled apart, the mind too can be destroyed by the eradication of desires.

So, anyway flushd - you gonna take a shot at answering my last question - yourself?

snood wrote:

So, anyway flushd - you gonna take a shot at answering my last question - yourself?

It would be unlawful to murder a man who you just found out 1 week earlier had raped your children and wife, causing your wife to go crazy and kill her children and then in turn kill herself. As a parent (I'm not, but I could imagine) who's family has been destroyed by one man, I may take action and murder him. I would not consider that wrong, given the circumstance.

That's one example, you also need to take into account the different points of view on these issues. Let's use murder again, say I murder somebody who is a known wife beater. I had no good reason for it, they guy just pissed me off so I shot him. I believe it would be wrong for me to do so in this case. But the wife, who's sitting at home with a broken arm and a bloody nose might think that it was great that her beating husband was murdered. Would she be wrong to think so?

This is why you're getting into trouble trying to defend ABSOLUTE morals, they're going to be different depending on a multitiude of circumstances. But good luck.

Thanks, flushd - I understand your answer. I actually have thought about such things myself, and am curious about knowing ohters' points of view. To be honest, if someone killed my mom or girlfriend, or raped them, or beat them, I can imagine murdering them and not feeling as if it was wrong.

Frank Apisa's just being Frank Apisa.

snood wrote:

So, anyway flushd - you gonna take a shot at answering my last question - yourself?

It would be unlawful to murder a man who you just found out 1 week earlier had raped your children and wife, causing your wife to go crazy and kill her children and then in turn kill herself. As a parent (I'm not, but I could imagine) who's family has been destroyed by one man, I may take action and murder him. I would not consider that wrong, given the circumstance.

That's one example, you also need to take into account the different points of view on these issues. Let's use murder again, say I murder somebody who is a known wife beater. I had no good reason for it, they guy just pissed me off so I shot him. I believe it would be wrong for me to do so in this case. But the wife, who's sitting at home with a broken arm and a bloody nose might think that it was great that her beating husband was murdered. Would she be wrong to think so?

This is why you're getting into trouble trying to defend ABSOLUTE morals, they're going to be different depending on a multitiude of circumstances. But good luck.

Just for S & Gs, flushd -

It's not hard for me to imagine a scenario where I could kill unlawfully and feel justified. But there are other examples that are a little dicier. Can you describe for me any situation in which you could find that rape, for instance, would not be wrong? Thanks for answering - I'm really just in "exchange of thought" mode.

snood wrote:

Just for S & Gs, flushd -

It's not hard for me to imagine a scenario where I could kill unlawfully and feel justified. But there are other examples that are a little dicier. Can you describe for me any situation in which you could find that rape, for instance, would not be wrong? Thanks for answering - I'm really just in "exchange of thought" mode.

Well, Snood, I don't know for sure if you are a follower of the Theory of Christianity, but if you are "discussing" absolute truths as told by the bible and the bible is said to be infallable and the word of god, and you can find a situation where murder would be justified, then doesn't that pretty much sum up the point that the bible cannot be a reference for absolute morality? Is there a need to discuss rape when the point has already been proven.