CI; it really would be a help if you would take a few seconds to consider such things as parallel structure and spelling. I sometimes wonder if your arguments are as clearly thought out as your presentation.
cicerone imposter wrote:Let's see; not all christians who claim to be a christian is not a christian. Some on this forum claoim to be a christian. Hard to tell which ones are christians. Maybe intrepid can identify the christians for us. It's prolly like interpreting the bible; only the few are blessed to know it's true meaning.
cicerone imposter wrote:Nah, just curious. You guys have special powers that defies logic.
timberlandko wrote:Neo, the Abrahamic mythopaeia is the collection of writings and traditions foundational to the 3 major faith sets which are associated with the Abraham of the bible; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
When I ask "what about the Abrahamic mythopaeia validates it - let alone elevates its Protestant Christian subset above any competing theo-philosophic myth system? What, apart from conviction and passion on the parts of its adherents, differentiates it, or any of them, from superstition?" I am asking an honest, pointed, pertinent question, a question none of the ptro-religionist participants in this discussion have addressed in any manner other than by preaching, proselytizing, and parroting. No reasoned, logical, forenically valid, scientifically derived support for the primacy of any religion has been provided so far in this discussion. While the proposition of the primacy of Protestant Christian theo-philosophy is vigorously proclaimed, iin no way has that proposition been validate, nor have the series of contingent propositions which fiorst would have to be validated to allow validation of the Protestant Christian proposition. Proceeding from unproven assumptions - without establishing that such assumptions might even be warranted, is no way to make a case. One simply cannot found a valid argument on an illicit premise, an unproven assumption, yet there are those here who champion a proposition which is dependent upon an entire string of unproven assumptions.
In this discusasion, it has not been established that any religious belief set is valid, let alone more valid than any other - no differentiation has been made between religious belief and superstition.
Now, there are those in this discussion firmly convinced of one proposition or another, and who press their case apparently to the limit of their abillities to do so. Whether or not there is foundation to their proposition, none has been produced.
Why should a late-medeival/early rennaisance-derived European, egalitarian offshoot of a more ancient patriarchal, Romanized Graeco-Syrian offshoot of Judaism, itself born of Mesopotamian and Assyrian traditions, seasoned with Egyptian and Baylonian culture, be any more valid than Hinduism, or Buddism, or Islam, or Jainism, or Zoroastriansim, or Pantheism, or tree worship?
Whew!
Word salad with a dressing of creative spelling.
OK.
Why should I accept the writings and traditions associated with the Abrahamic record of the OT? (Apart from the OT, that is)
Why should I accept the tenets of the
"Romanized Graeco-Syrian offshoot of Judaism, itself born of Mesopotamian and Assyrian traditions, seasoned with Egyptian and Baylonian (sic) culture" that have slithered into nominal christianity?
I have spent not a small amount of time identifying these trespassers, a fact not appreciated by the believers on the board. But; once again, here are a few of them:
Immortality of the soul.
Hellfire.
Trinity.
Worship of images.
Folks have a tendency to forget that the whole world was given over to Satan for what seems to us an interminable time in order for him to prove his claim made in Eden, that man would be better off governing themselves and making their own decisions as to what is good and what is bad. It should come as no surprise that he has infiltrated the world's religions as well.
cicerone imposter wrote:maporsche, Haven't you figured it out yet? Real life's name is the empitome of hypocrisy. He lives in a world that is devoid of reality. He lives in the netherworld of pandemonium where left is right and right is left. He has no clue or ability to answer direct questions. He's afraid of the truth, because his world will crumble in front of him if he admits what is so obvious. He's a sad person unable to get out of his cage. He has become a slave to the comic book called the bible. He reads and memorizes many of its verses, but understands nothing. He sees clarity in the contradicitons, errors and omissions. He has become psycotic like an alcoholic unable to sotp drinking. He likes the haziness of his drunkeness repeating bible verses to all who will listen. He doesn't know how to stop.
And you can run around with no conscience...
Love is the word which indicates the striving to realize the falsehood of diversity and the reality of the One. Love identifies; hate separates. Love transposes the Self on to another and the two think, speak and act as one. When love takes in more and more within its fold, more and more entities are rendered as One. When you love Me, you love all, for, you begin to feel and know and experience that I am in all. By means of meditation, you can realize that I am the resident in all hearts, the urge, the motive, the guide, the goal. Yearn for that vision, that awareness and make it your priceless possession. Then, you have what you often ask Me for the Direct Vision of Reality. Your love has to be as pure and as free from the taint of ego as mine so that it can merge in Me.
Lost In A Lost World
I woke up today, I was crying,
Lost in a lost world,
'Cos so many people are dying,
Lost in a lost world.
Some of them are living an illusion
Bounded by the darkness of their minds,
In their eyes it's nation against nation,
With racial pride, sad hearts they hide,
Thinking only of themselves,
They shun the light,
They think they're right
Living in the empty shells.
Oh, can you see their world is crashing?
Crashing down around their feet
And angry people in the street
Are telling them they've had their fill
Of politics that wound and kill.
Grow, the seeds of evolution.
Revolution never won,
It's just another form of gun
To do again what they have done
With all our brothers' youngest sons.
Everywhere you go you'll feel them searching,
Everywhere you turn you'll feel the pain,
Everyone is looking for the answer,
We'll look again, come on my friend,
Love will find them in the end.
Come on, my friend, we've got to bend
On our knees and say a prayer.
Oh, can you feel the world is pining?
Pining for someone who really cares
Enough to share his love
With all of us, so we can be
An ever-loving family.
Have you forgotten we're all children?
Children from a family tree
That's longer than a centipede
And started long ago
When you and I were only love.
I woke up today, I was crying,
Lost in a lost world,
'Cos so many people are dying,
Lost in a lost world.
Mike Pinder
The Moody Blues
neo, Your suggestion concerning my grammar and spelling will be considered, because your style of communication from previous times have changed for the better. However, don't expect perfection.
Rex, You continue to project your own narrow christian views that has no ethical or logical basis.
Here, i'll save the Big Bird the trouble. Any of the Christians here willing to attempt an answer to this question?
What about the Abrahamic religious tradition validates it, let alone elevates its Protestant Christian subset above any competing religious tradition? What, apart from conviction and passion on the parts of its adherents, differentiates it, or any of them, from superstition?
That one word in your question, "superstition," is the key to the question.
Simply defined, superstition means "blind belief, warped notion, falacy, mare's nest; illusion, delusion, mote in the eye; prejudice, prepossession, fanaticism; irrational fear; belief in omens, obsession; myth, fable, old wive's tale, etc., etc."
We'll be waiting a very long time for any direct answer from the "christians" on this forum.
Three women die together in an accident
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>When they get there, St. Peter says, "We only have one rule here in heaven: don't step on the ducks!"
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It is almost impossible not to step on a duck, and although they try their
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>Along comes St. Peter with the ugliest man she ever saw.
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>St. Peter chains them together and says, "Your punishment for stepping on a duck is to spend eternity chained to this ugly man!"
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>The next day, the second woman steps accidentally on a duck and along comes St. Peter, who doesn't miss a thing. With him is another extremely ugly man. He chains them together with the same admonishment as for the first woman.
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>She manages to go months without stepping on any ducks, but one day St. Peter comes up to her with the most handsome man she has ever laid eyes on ... very tall, long eyelashes, muscular, and thin
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>The happy woman says, "I wonder what I did to deserve being chained to you for all of eternity?"
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>The guy says, "I don't know about you, but I stepped on a duck!"
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Setanta wrote:Here, i'll save the Big Bird the trouble. Any of the Christians here willing to attempt an answer to this question?
What about the Abrahamic religious tradition validates it, let alone elevates its Protestant Christian subset above any competing religious tradition? What, apart from conviction and passion on the parts of its adherents, differentiates it, or any of them, from superstition?
Practice... and profit...
If there is no profit in a religious system then it is dead...
If one finds power and compassion where all other forms of belief have come up dry then it is a testimony of the truth within a system...
If there ultimately is no profit then there is no power within...
If a system leads one to ruin then we know the power within by the result.. (That is provided the person actually followed the "true" directives of their chosen faith.)
cicerone imposter wrote:That one word in your question, "superstition," is the key to the question.
Simply defined, superstition means "blind belief, warped notion, falacy, mare's nest; illusion, delusion, mote in the eye; prejudice, prepossession, fanaticism; irrational fear; belief in omens, obsession; myth, fable, old wive's tale, etc., etc."
We'll be waiting a very long time for any direct answer from the "christians" on this forum.
You forgot to include the word "truth"... that is still a possibility isn't it?
shiyacic aleksandar wrote:
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:shiyacic aleksandar wrote:Rise above your mechanical mind and youll understand My meaning.
No, I have to agree with timberlandko. You sir, do nothing but spout complete nonsense or phrases of blatant obvious that look logical, but has barely no relevance to what we are discussing.
In your last post, you said:
shiyacic aleksandar wrote:That what is born will certanly die...
You don't say? Goodness, what a revelation! I thought we would live forever! I thought we'd stay young forever and never die! (And just in case you didn't understand, I was being sarcastic).
shiyacic aleksandar wrote:Find what never takes birth nor dies and youll find the secret of immortality.
My freaking panties! What a revelation! That was so blindingly obvious I can't [CENSORED] see! Where do you come up with this stuff? I must dissect your mind and find out the source of your brilliance! (End of Sarcasm)
Is there some kind of hamster inside there running a wheel? Maybe a sole green pea? Did you even read what CI and Frank posted?
Frank Apisa wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
"...when/if I get there." I got good news and bad news for you, Intrepid. The good news is you'll die like everybody else and rot after the bugs take over your body. The bad news is, your body and whatever you call spirit (your brain activity) will disappear for eternity after you quit breathing for the last time. All the time and effort you wasted in thinking there is life after death is for naught. there is no god and there is no heaven or hell. It's only us and this planet earth.
Well...we really do not know that either, ci. But that is an interesting guess.
They were talking about the afterlife, not eternal life in a body, which is clearly what you were talking about. And then you have the cheek to say our minds are too mechanical?
All minds are freaking mechanical. It's just that some have loose screws and some have lost their screws altogether.
As for the rest of your religious people, I have no qualms about religious people. Some of the friends I made could have been religious and were very nice, but I certainly didn't know they were religious because they saw it fit not to try to wear their religion on their sleeve, brandishing it about like some Gay Pride Flag.
The problem is that there's an influential number of religionists try their best to force their religion down our throat.
In our country, the teaching of Christianity in schools is enforced by law. Oh, but there's a number that aren't satisfied with that. They want Christianity to infiltrate every single lesson.
Thank Goodness they aren't in big numbers over here. But over there in the US. I can see loads. They're trying to force Christianity into the science classes with Creationism and ID, none of which are even proper science. They're influencing the President, they're trying to get therapeutic stem cell research banned...
Well, I don't know and I apologise to anyone who was offended, but I was pretty offended by some of the remarks in this thread.
Instead of being childish one must become,one day a true and devote seeker of Truth.
Separate yourself from illusions of your mind and body and your real "I" will appear as clearly as you are now loking at you bottle of whiskey,for exemple.
Detachment is the first step in spirituality and all those who are still attached to "their" parents, wives,friends,cousins and so on are not even in the first class of spirituality.RE-read the new testament and see what Jesus said about it.
Surf on Inner net not on internet! :wink:
AS
You're a blessing to me...
neologist wrote:I just realized I've been absent for 15 pages. I hope I'm not repeating things already settled, but:
What is Abrahamic mythopaeia?
Why all this talk about heaven and immortality of the soul? Do you think I am just spilling vegetable soup when I point out that the soul does not survive death? I'll be happy to give the references again; but folks: when you're dead, you're dead.
There's more. But this should keep me going.
The body returns to the earth
The soul returns to the air
And the spirit returns to it's creator...
I see none of the Christians here have yet been willing to tackle the very reasonable question which Big Bird posed, and which i have edited to remove any excuse to claim it entails a priori assumptions. I also see that RR is spouting his usually nonsensical stream of unconsciousness.
Setanta wrote:I see none of the Christians here have yet been willing to tackle the very reasonable question which Big Bird posed, and which i have edited to remove any excuse to claim it entails a priori assumptions. I also see that RR is spouting his usually nonsensical stream of unconsciousness.
No that was an answer and you are in denial...
You do not address my answers you just come back with more slurs...
RexRed wrote:Setanta wrote:I see none of the Christians here have yet been willing to tackle the very reasonable question which Big Bird posed, and which i have edited to remove any excuse to claim it entails a priori assumptions. I also see that RR is spouting his usually nonsensical stream of unconsciousness.
No that was an answer and you are in denial...
Rex...if you ever could appreciate the absurdity of you asseting someone else is in denial...
...you would have yourself a laugh that would last the rest of your life.
Goddam near spit up on myself when I read that.
"...you are in denial..." must be the most dull-witted statement made by rex thus far. Given enough time, he'll provide better ones in the future.
Frank Apisa wrote:RexRed wrote:Setanta wrote:I see none of the Christians here have yet been willing to tackle the very reasonable question which Big Bird posed, and which i have edited to remove any excuse to claim it entails a priori assumptions. I also see that RR is spouting his usually nonsensical stream of unconsciousness.
No that was an answer and you are in denial...
Rex...if you ever could appreciate the absurdity of you asseting someone else is in denial...
...you would have yourself a laugh that would last the rest of your life.
Goddam near spit up on myself when I read that.
I am not the one that has denied God...
I have not shut out my creator...
I am not the one that has placed an artificial impediment in place of God...
