Frank Apisa wrote:real life wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:real life wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:real life wrote:
Why is giving a mother access to medical information , such as an ultrasound, "emotional stuff" ?
The ultrasound stuff is emotional stuff...and it does make the decision harder. It never stops the decision from being made. Either the woman has an abortion or does not. And that, after all, is what the decision is.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
Did you have any "emotional stuff" like Xrays etc done before your cancer surgery, Frank? Isn't that just sound medicine? If the Xrays had revealed that operating on the cancer, if successful or not, would leave you blind and deaf, isn't that something you should know?
If a sonogram shows a mother what her unborn really is like, isn't it sound medicine to give her that information before she irreversibly ends the unborn's very existence?
Why are you so afraid she will find out what's really going on? Why should she not be informed as to the unborn's heartbeat, brain function, movements, etc ? What are you afraid of?
Me afraid???
I am not the one pretending to love a barbaric god because of fear.
If a woman wants to have an abortion...I think she should be allowed to have one. If she wants to have a sonogram first...she should have one.
I don't think it should be a requirement...and I don't think she should be subject to the ravings of a bunch of religious nuts.
That's all I'm saying.
In the interest of informed consent and truth in advertising, I'm really surprised that you side with the corporations on this Frank. Selling this service to women under false pretenses and hiding the true result of their services to make a buck is a very bad thing.
Pitiful bullshyt, Life.
No one is selling anything under false pretenses.
You seem to think that a woman cannot come to a reasonable decision about whether or not to abort a pregnancy on her own.
Why do you have such a low opinion of the intellect of women?
Are you a man or a woman?
What makes you so goddam sure that women contemplating an abortion have not considered all that stuff....and can make their decision without input from you or any other religious fanatic?
Quote:But I guess that you've got your own vested emotional interest that has got you defending this.
You goddam right I have. I fiercely defend a woman's right to have dominion over her own body...without a bunch of religious fanatics trying to get government to tell her what she can or cannot do with regard to a pregnancy she might have.
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So you should know about emotional stuff. I just don't think medical information qualifies as emotional.
Well...when it is emotional bullshyt masquarading as medical information...is does quality as emotional.
The medical term for a fetus...is "fetus."
The medical term for a zygote...is "zygote."
The medical term for an embryo...is "embryo."
The emotional, religious fanatic's terms for all those things is "living human being."
That is bullshyt...and it is emotional.
Quote:But you don't seem to be able to give a reason for saying so, other than continually asserting that it is.
Jesus H. Cheerist, Life...where in the hell have you been.
I am more than able to give reasons....I HAVE GIVEN THEM...OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
Why in the hell are you possibly accusing me of not doing so?
No you haven't. Give one sound reason why an abortionist should not be required to disclose to his patient (the woman) all pertinent medical data available regarding the unborn which he is about to exterminate.
Doctors show you Xrays of your cancer and explain how they are going to cut out the tumor to make you well. They inform you as to risks and hazards.
Why should an abortionist not be required to give full disclosure including medical facts pertaining to growth stage and a sonogram to show the mother the unborn that he is removing?
You haven't given one reason not to. Your only responses are "it's emotional" and "it makes it harder". It should be hard to extinguish an unborn child Frank.
One reason not to require full disclosure of these practitioners?
