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Does the Bible say that all Christians will go to heaven?

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2019 05:15 am
@chai2,
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I'm not going to converse on this with you any longer.
Take that however you will.

I gave it a thumbs up.
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HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jun, 2019 01:26 pm
Mark 7:7 and Matthew 15:9
"They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules"

Matthew 7:22-23
"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

This is what Jesus will say to most Christians who took Jesus as God and started worshipping him as God. Jesus was a mighty prophet and messiah. One of the main reason for his second coming is to break the cross and tell most all Christians that they were wrong in worshiping him.
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DiscipleDave
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2020 06:23 pm
@anthony1312002,
anthony wrote:
It is not uncommon for people to bear from their ministers that all of Christ's followers will go to heaven. But is this really the truth? What does the Bible really teach on this matter?


Many professing Christians will NOT be Raptured up with Christ when He Returns. ONLY a very FEW will be Raptured up.

ONLY True Christians will be Raptured up to be with Jesus for all eternity. Those who :
1) Believe in Jesus Christ (Faith)
and
2) Love One Another (Works)

Those who do one and NOT Both will NOT be Raptured up. Woe to those who believe FAITH ONLY can save a person. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth, when they are left behind, when they thought they should have been Raptured.

Jesus Himself talked about them quite a bit. Those who call Jesus "Lord" But do not DO what He Commands. And what did He Command all True Christians to do? Love One Another. Woe to that person calls Jesus "Lord" and fails to Love One Another.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Mon 8 Jun, 2020 02:58 pm
@DiscipleDave,
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Jesus Himself talked about them quite a bit. Those who call Jesus "Lord" But do not DO what He Commands. And what did He Command all True Christians to do? Love One Another. Woe to that person calls Jesus "Lord" and fails to Love One Another.

That's your self interpretation. Anyone who believed in Jesus as his/her Lord, Jesus (peace be upon him) will say I have nothing to do with you, because he never said he is God. He was nothing but a messenger and Messiah.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jun, 2020 05:16 am
@HabibUrrehman,
Well, he did admit to being the Son of God. And the first one at that.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jun, 2020 08:47 am
@Leadfoot,
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the Son of God

Regarding son of God, there are sons by tons in Bible. Many people are called son of god which in biblical terms means one who obeys all commandments of God.

But if you mean Begotten son then can you explain what begotten son means?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 9 Jun, 2020 09:39 am
@HabibUrrehman,
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But if you mean Begotten son then can you explain what begotten son means?
From my limited vantage point, I imagine something like mitosis, but there is not much evidence to go on.
It was definitely not how you or I came into this world and happened long before this world existed.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2020 11:28 am
@Leadfoot,
Nowhere in the foundational manuscripts of the New Testament does Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) refer to himself as a literal Son of God. He identifies himself as the Son of Man eighty-eight (88) times, but not once as a Son of God in a literal, begotten and not-made sense.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2020 04:36 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
Read this carefully.

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Matthew 16:13-18 KJV
[13] When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

[14] And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

[15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.



By denying that this clearly shows that Jesus claimed to be 'the Christ, the Son of the living God, you are either fabricating your story or your hermeneutics are abominable.
Or is it possible you are saying that Jesus is saying that God lied to Peter? That would be totally absurd.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2020 10:45 am
@Leadfoot,
WHAT DOES THE WORD SON OF GOD MEANS IN BIBLICAL SENSE

All four Gospels record Jesus as saying:
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Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.

The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense. Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.
Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.
Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible.

So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.

Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2020 11:28 am
@HabibUrrehman,
Of course he was the son of man.

I really appreciate that the Only Begotten Son of God did his Father's will by coming to us as a man to plainly explain to us in words so that we too could come to understand and become brothers with him.

If your interpretation does not make sense when considered in its totality, it is my assumption that it is incorrect.

Being the son of man does not preclude him being the (first) Son of God. I don’t see why you can’t see that.

But it occurs to me that the way it was revealed to Peter is the only way it can be revealed to someone who is merely a man.

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[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2020 11:36 am
@Leadfoot,
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Of course he was the son of man.


Thats what I am saying, son of man means son of man ( not son of God) unless one wants to be willingly misguide himself and others.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2020 11:39 am
@HabibUrrehman,
So you are simply saying that you don’t believe the verses I posted..
I’m ok with that if you are.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2020 11:56 am
@Leadfoot,
There is nothing I can do when you contradict yourself by saying Jesus is son of man and son of God as well.
Truth has to be simple and plain to understand and should not be a mystery.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jun, 2020 12:03 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
No mystery involved here.

The Son of God came to earth as a human man, 'born' of flesh like the rest of us.

Either he was who He clearly said he was, or he was a lying son of a bitch when he said that to Peter.

I know this does not fit your world view, but that’s what the book says.
HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2020 09:05 am
@Leadfoot,
Its not about your or mine world view, its about common sense. God has no need to have a son, its an idea borrowed from Roman polytheists. But anyways, you can believe in whatever you like to.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2020 09:54 am
@HabibUrrehman,
No, it’s not about common sense. Nor is it about whether you think God had need of a Son. This conversation was about what was in the Bible.

I’m not even arguing about whether It is true or not. It’s about What is in the plain text (albeit translated) of the book.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2020 09:55 am
@DiscipleDave,
Since god is the arbiter of who goes and who doesn't, what's the red line that will prevent adherents to miss the "ship?"
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HabibUrrehman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2020 12:38 pm
@Leadfoot,
No need to get upset, I gave the quotes from same exact Bible.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2020 12:49 pm
@HabibUrrehman,
And I explained why there was no contradiction. The Son of God came to us as the son of man.

Who’s upset?

 

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