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Who do you think will be the next president of the United States?

 
 
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 02:07 pm
@engineer,
Was hoping for this kind of a response from someone more closely following the election this time. Thanks!
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Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 05:55 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Other than a little more ability to self-censor, is there any difference between Cruz and Trump?
I thought Cruz is an Evangelical and Trump is just plain vanilla Protestant, so to speak? Also, Cruz is a Texan and Trump is a New Yorker. But, they both seem to have a desire to protect the American people from threats. I think that is a plus for both.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 08:12 pm
@maxdancona,
Damn Max. Isent this ancient history? How many people today will know who he is?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 08:15 pm
@tsarstepan,
Check him out. In todays world he would be a liberal.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 08:16 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
But, they both seem to have a desire to protect the American people from threats. I think that is a plus for both.


That's code for they are both hate-filled bigots using fear mongering to gain power. I don't see that as a plus for Cruz, Trump or Netanyahu.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 08:17 pm
@RABEL222,
It was meant as a joke (in response to the who is Barry discussion earlier). It made me chuckle and I hoped it would make other people chuckle too. If it didn't, then just ignore it.

RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 08:18 pm
@maxdancona,
Ok. Went right over my head.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 08:30 pm
Hillary is trying to make it seem to liberals that there is little difference between her positions and Bernie's. She flip flops according to public opinion on all the issues. One of her really big donors is the prisons for profit gang. But, Bernie made some headway over this. So, today, Hillary announced she is against for profit prisons. She is against anything Bernie is against, she claims. But, after the election, I am sure she will revert to her old positions. That's where the money and power reside.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2015 08:54 pm
Even the best analysis in this thread is superficial. Most are simply reflections of personal preference. To be fair, it's too early to make a solid prediction. Too much can happen between now and the end of the primaries, let alone the general election. I've been watching both parties' contests as close as I can without doing it for a living and right now I could only guess. I think the safest guess is that Clinton will win the Dem nod, but that's hardly going out on a limb. With the GOP it really is up for grabs among any of the top nine.

A couple of things to note: Right now, Rubio and Carson beat Clinton head to head. Does that hold? Who knows?

Trump may have roughly 40% support, but that means 60% don't support him.

As for my preference, it's Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs, but, alas he isn't running.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 06:39 am
I'm just scared to death it will be Trump. Cruz might be more right wing, but, I have done some reading on Trump as a person and he is impulsive to say the least of it.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 08:32 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I'm just scared to death it will be Trump. Cruz might be more right wing, but, I have done some reading on Trump as a person and he is impulsive to say the least of it.


It seems incredible that anyone who watched the infantile facial contortions he made last night during the debate...would vote for him.


BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 08:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
To say nothing of trying to get the US military to comment war crimes by and killing innocent families members of terrorists.

That right up there with the German war crimes of WW2 and it would be interesting to see if the US military would obey such orders.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 08:59 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
It seems incredible that anyone who watched the infantile facial contortions he made last night during the debate...would vote for him.


I don't think you understand the audience, Frank. The people who will be voting in the GOP primary like that about Trump.

revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 09:01 am
@Frank Apisa,
As usual I didn't watch it, did read a few headlines. He got booed by some (which I found surprising given the audience, guess there was some Paul Ryan supporters there) when he mentioned shutting down the internet, or parts of it. Would such a thing possible world wide?

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During tonight's Republican primary debate, world-class demagogue rhetorician and GOP frontrunner Donald Trump said America should shut off ISIS's access to the Internet. The terror network is disturbingly successful at spreading its propaganda and recruiting via social media. But how practical is Trump's suggestion?

Indeed, there are countries that have cut off access to the Internet to their citizens. Iran did it in the aftermath of its 2009 elections, and Egypt pulled it off during the Arab Spring. North Korean citizens have little access to the international internet. China limits access to certain websites. ISIL itself has banned private internet access in strongholds like Raqqa. And even Google blocks certain types of terrible content—child pornography, for example.

But here's the problem: America doesn't control the Internet in the Middle East. Most of the servers that make up web infrastructure in foreign countries are not located in the United States—they are based in those other countries. Trump (as well as Bill Gates, whom earlier this week The Donald suggested might help him with this task) would either have to convince service providers in other countries to shut off Internet access in certain regions or destroy local infrastructure to cut off Internet access to ISIS—and we're not talking about an enemy who is located in just one country.

However, to get information out of certain countries, data has to travel through specific (and sometimes limited) portals—so in theory, the U.S. could focus its efforts on those locations. And in some cases, nations rely on Internet providers outside their country—some of which are owned by American companies. So yes, there might be some ways to keep some information from traveling in and out of these countries, but preventing information from flowing within nations is perhaps more difficult. In countries where specific websites are blocked, citizens often use VPN and proxies to access them. After the Iranian elections, Twitter was banned in Iran, but Iranians found websites to post tweets on their behalf—and in theory, one could use telephones or even ham radio to do the same thing—so simply blocking platforms like YouTube inside certain countries isn't the definitive answer, either.

And then there are satellite modems or SMS or dialup or carrier pigeon—it's plausible one could use those mechanisms to get people outside one's area to post to the internet for them. Or thugs could make videos, compose tweets, or make PDFs or HTML of propaganda magazines and bundle them with scripts or human instructions on how to upload them to social platforms, like, "Plug this USB stick into a Windows machine, run propaganda.exe."

Or maybe a clever virus or worm could temporarily disrupt ISIS's Internet access...but that would be difficult to contain, and somehow we doubt Gates would write it or Trump could. And ISIS-friendly providers might have failover machines, so even if you hacked every server the ISPs have online, they could potentially turn on more.

So basically, it would not be simple for someone to turn off the internet here and there—even with Bill Gates' help.


source

Experts keep saying there is no way he would be elected, but, think about it, George Bush was re-elected.


McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 09:10 am
@revelette2,
This is one of the problems with Trump. He says something, media grabs ahold of it and then they blow it out of proportion.

Trump says "Shut down their Internet so ISIS can't recruit online, Media Says 'TRUMP TO SHUT DOWN INTERNET!!!!111!!!!!!!1!!!"

Trump says Lets halt Muslims from coming to America until we come up with a plan to vet them. Media says "TRUMP WANTS TO BAN ALL MUSLIMS IN AMERICA!!!!1!111!!!!!"

It's crazy. Then all you liberal types feed on it like vampires. It's silly.

Does Trump over state, exaggerate and bloviate? Sure, but which politicians don't when running for office? People just pay more attention to Trump because of who he is.
revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 09:12 am
@McGentrix,
Why do you always assume he does not mean what he says? From what I read, he always means what he says. Even shutting down the internet in "those countries" would be problematic and would cause more harm than good while not solving a thing. Same with banning Muslims coming to the country just because they are Muslims.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 09:19 am
@revelette2,
Good luck in shutting down any part of the internet or getting the american military to committed war crimes, or deporting 11 millions Latins or...........
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 09:25 am
@McGentrix,
You are being a little tough on us McGentrix. I mean, if you were a liberal vampire type what would you do?

(Secretly I love Trump. I hope he wins the nomination.)
Tuna
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 09:50 am
Conventional wisdom says run the candidate who can attract swing-voters. Trump obviously can't. Jeb Bush might be able to in spite of his unfortunate surname.

Clinton has the advantage of a strong persona. She just can't manage to come across as genuine.

Clinton vs Bush: probably Bush.

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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2015 10:17 am
All I am saying is don't be too surprised if Trump wins in spite of all the logical reasons to suppose surely he will crash some time. After all, he hasn't yet and I thought he would he would have by now.
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