The Science Of Fox News

The Afghan/Iraq war was the first war made by this country that did not have any way established to pay for it from its inception. GWB sold T notes to the Chinese to pay for it. 100% national debt.

It happens. Ask GWB.

As you know 9/11 could have easily been avoided. This could be the case or it could be something else. Prior to this our news was packed with the killing of Jihadi John, saying how this was a great propaganda loss to IS.

This is an act of desperation to try to scare the West out of fighting IS. It won't work.

I am sorry to be the one to tell you this bobsal but being misinformed is not just a malady suffered by Fox viewers. Watching the news, any news really in America makes you more likely to be misinformed about everything and anything that is of any importance. Journalism is hard to come by these days. Just like politicians, no matter what party your affiliated with, have become celebrities in the entertainment field rather than public servants with ethics and integrity, journalists have found that they enjoy putting on a good show better than what their real responsibilities are supposed to be. Journalists used to be the watchdogs for the people and took the time to seriously check their facts, ask hard questions that demanded concrete answers when a politician would try to use vague but eloquent prose mixed with a little dramatic theatrical delivery to disguise the fact that they don't really have a good solution or answer to an important issue that the American people are especially concerned about because their lives are being impacted in some way, usually negatively. That was when our journalist would stop the show even though it may have been funny or controversial they weren't afraid take on the boring persona in order to push for a less flamboyant and more to the point response. So they didn't get to shine and have as much fun as they would have liked to but they did keep Americans more informed to the best of their abilities. They also weren't really welcomed to party it up alongside the politicians and wall street crowd all that much. Most were viewed as the enemy, the killjoy, the tattle tale and what politician and corporate lobbyist needs someone like that around ruin the fun their voters probably frown on them for having in the first place. These days and for quite some time now "journalists" have decided the hell with ethics let the politicians act and argue and entertain and lets us make the news about us doing the same about what they may or may not have said or meant or whatever. Facts are boring anyway plus we get to go to the parties and have fun now. Let the people figure the truth out themselves or not. As long as their getting a show from us and the politicians they won't even notice or care because their having a good time and isn't that what Democracy is all about anyway. They'll show up to vote and campaign even if their working 3 jobs and still can't make ends meet because were that funny!! And so now this is what we have. Misinformed Americans who still show up and cheer on the entertainer of their choice even though both sides have betrayed us over and over and over again and we even give what little time we have after working jobs that make us no money to answer phones and trudge through sloppy cold wet weather to try to get them elected so they can screw us over again. Some of those days of trudging are sunny and nice but really makes little difference to the reality that Americans in general are misinformed and easily manipulated no matter who's doing it or what news channel they watch. I don't know where you got your info from. Unfortunately because the people you got the info from believe that they can take some poll and come up with accurate and factual data on the subject they are just as misinformed as the Fox viewers their claiming are more misinformed.
After the bailout in 2008 happened and no one in the American media really spent too much time concentrating on it at all. A quick negative comment might go by but their was always a dancing bear or skateboarding squirrel to report on. FOX and MSNBC did however give the bailout loads of time but only because their opinion oriented no facts to back anything we say up format loved the dramatic and comedic material it offered them. Of course when the 99% took over Wall Street to protest the bailout and the governments close relationship with Wall Street big wigs much more criticism was given to the protesters who did in fact have jobs if they could find them. It took reporters from places like Finland and Scotland to get in their and find out that these were not lazy people looking for handouts but many were employed and an MTV documentary showed a group of coworkers who worked in shifts while the others stayed behind with their kids to continue protesting and then would go to work themselves after the others returned and took over. Our media wasn't technically allowed to go in very far, but MTV also showed that they weren't exactly fighting to get in anyway. There were no Woodward and Bernsteins to be found for America. Yes American media personnel ALMOST everywhere now know that the BESTEST and FUNNEST parties aren't thrown by "We the people" so we don't need to know the truth anymore. Not as badly as our once noble journalists need to work for the top 1% and their hired free market government so they can be rich, beautiful privileged celebrities too. Ethics and integrity just can't compete with unlimited luxury I guess.

If anything, we agree. Fox offers the luxury of being misinformed.

But being oblivious gives one peace of mind right up to the time you are caught in a bomb blast.

Well there's the rub. If you don't make it, what will it have mattered to have died with misperceptions?

Tell me Bob, when did we finish paying for WWII?

We finished paying America in 2006, just before your banks went down the shitter. Coincidence?

The issue isn't when or how, the issue is it was given a method of being paid for. You know, in a responsible manner. Unlike your two pet wars. We started paying for WWII as soon as it was declared. The bills for your wars will start showing up big time in 2031.

I think comparing WWII to "war on terror" dishonors American vets and trivializes their accomplishments. Pearl Harbor really happened, the Japanese really bombed it; Sept 11 really happened, Afghans and Iraqis didn't have a darn thing to do with it.

Wasting your time again Bob.

Some of that is bullshit--but then, so much of your drivel is bullshit. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda planned the September 11 operation from Afghanistan, and sent out participants, documents and money from there. We gave the Taliban "government" (certainly never a freely elected government) an ultimatum to hand over bin Laden and the Al Quaeda leaders. They refused. Therefore, we went to war with them.

Your points of view are so often just knee-jerk reaction--you hate Bush, so everything he did must be wrong. F*cking grow up.

St Jude is my birth saint.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan both gave into GWB's demands: specifically to open their weapons facilities and hand over OBL.

GWB then refused both offers saying, "It was too late."

Personal attacks are a hallmark of your style. Style over substance, right?

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over
9.30pm update: * Taliban demand evidence of Bin Laden's guilt

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

Staff and agencies

President George Bush rejected as "non-negotiable" an offer by the Taliban to discuss turning over Osama bin Laden if the United States ended the bombing in Afghanistan.


And you know what lies were told to invade Iraq
Sunday 14 October 2001 17.19 EDT

He was right to dismiss their request and demands. They were going to hand UBL over to a 3rd country or they wanted to give him a trial in Afghanistan? The first ultimatum was given on Sept 17th and the bombing didn't start until Oct 7th.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/campaign/etc/cron.html

Where we differ is you think it was good thing. All we accomplished was bombing a 14th century country into the 13th century and the enrichment of certain people in the US and thousands dead including more American than were killed in Sept 11. I think that was a bad thing.

What would you have done differently? Rolled over and exposed your belly? I think that is exactly what you would have done. Handed the world to UBL on a platter.

Tangent: back in the days we lived in Chicago, we used to go once in a while to the St. Jude shrine/church. He was always high on the Saint list those days.

You're pig ignorant. Ultimatums are non-negotiable. I suppose you think Mullah Omar was acting in good faith. Left up to you, you'd get us all killed.

I specifically addressed the invasion of Afghanistan, i made no claims about the invasion of Iraq. Try to keep up, 'K? And don't forget your need to grow up. One good first step is to cure you ignorance. Stupid people usually can't do anything about, and usually don't try. Ignorance can be cured. You could start by learning about international law and custom regarding ultimatums, especially in cases in which a nation had been attacked. Your nest stop would be a detailed history of the Taliban's reign in Afghanistan.

So your saying because he MAY have done one thing right his administration was a total success? You can include me in a hate Bush and Chaney club.