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Ben Carson for Prezidon't.

 
 
Lash
 
Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 07:30 pm
So, in honor of Carson’s surge in the polls, here are some of his greatest hits:

1. Gayness must be a choice, because prisoners who are raped come out gay.

Like any generic homophobe, Carson has no problem repeating tired falsehoods about how legalized gay marriage will lead to bestiality and pedophila. But he got some points for originality when he told Chris Cuomo in an interview that homosexuality was absolutely a choice “ecause a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight— and when they come out, they’re gay.”

Cuomo’s jaw dropped long enough for Carson to add: “So, did something happen while they were in there? Ask yourself that question.”

This could absolutely take the cake for comedic idiocy, if only homophobic violence and prison rape were not horrific real-life problems.

What it proves is that Carson will say anything. And that, even when it comes to medical science—the preponderance of which indicates that homosexuality is not a choice—the doctor is out.

2. Obamacare is worse than slavery. We live in a Gestapo age.

Carson earns a lot of conservative love for his harsh criticism of Obama. A black man maligning the first black president is practically orgasmic for these folks. After uttering both of the above provocations, he doubled down on them in an interview with Wolf Blitzer, accusing everyone of going into a “tizzy” because he used the slavery and Nazi analogies. Here’s Carson claiming his comparisons were apt:

Nazi Germany experienced something horrible. The people in Nazi Germany largely didn’t believe in what Hitler was doing. But they didn’t say anything? Of course not, they kept their mouth shut. The fact that our government is using instruments of government like the IRS to punish its opponents, this is not the kind of thing that is a Democrat or a Republican issue. This is an American issue … A lot of people do not feel free to express themselves.

Which people are those, exactly? Not sure. Certainly, the Gestapo has not been able silence him. And on the slavery analogy:

Slavery was a horrible thing and affected many people in horrible ways, some of those effects still present today. So, no, it is not the same as slavery. However, what needs to be understood here is that the way this country was set up, the people—we the people were set up at the pinnacle of power in this nation. The government is supposed to conform to our will. By taking the most important thing you have, your health and your health care, and turning that over to the government, you fundamentally shift the power, a huge chunk of it, from the people to the government.

Never mind that the people’s will is to have health care. Details, details.

The point is, Dr. Ben Carson should be able to use whatever crazy analogy he wants in order to get people’s attention, and he should not be subjected to some random truth-telling standard. Because, Hitler.

3. The Big Bang is a “fairy tale” and the notion of evolution was encouraged by the devil.

There is no more telling evidence that the “man of science” in the Republican race not only cherry-picks his science to gel with his fundamentalist Christian beliefs, but denies the most basic science out there. While there is no word yet on whether Carson believes in gravity, it’s worth quoting Carson’s insane Big Bang ramblings at some length:

I find the Big Bang really quite fascinating. I mean, here you have all these highfalutin scientists and they’re saying it was this gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order. Now these are the same scientists that go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So now you’re gonna have this big explosion and everything becomes perfectly organized and when you ask them about it they say, ‘Well we can explain this, based on probability theory because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion.’ … So I say what you’re telling me is if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times over billions and billions of years, eventually after one of those hurricanes there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly. (Carson adds that the Big Bang is “even more ridiculous” because there is order to the universe.) Well, I mean, it’s even more ridiculous than that ’cause our solar system, not to mention the universe outside of that, is extraordinarily well organized, to the point where we can predict 70 years away when a comet is coming. Now that type of organization to just come out of an explosion? I mean, you want to talk about fairy tales, that is amazing.

Later in the interview, Carson said he personally believed Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution was encouraged by the devil.

As Charles Pierce wrote in Esquire: “What in the name of Edwin Hubble is this man talking about? Why is this man allowed out in public without a handler?”

4. There’s no war on women; there may be a war on women’s insides.

In a speech on the steps of the Arkansas Capitol in Little Rock this summer, Carson took on the notion that Republicans are waging a war on women, saying: “They tell you that there’s a war on women. There is no war on women. There may be a war on what’s inside of women, but there is no war on women in this country.”

It was a mystifying piece of rhetoric that remains unexplained to this day. Just what part of women’s insides is there a war on? And why is that even remotely an OK thing to say, let alone condone?

No clue. It was not the only insanity of that speech, during which he called slaves immigrants who “came here involuntarily in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.”

5. Nope, I don’t see any global warming.

Unlike other conservative ideologues, Carson does not exactly deny climate change, and he certainly does not use the tired line “I’m not a scientist,” because technically he is. What he does say is that global climate change is “irrelevant.” Irrelevant to what, we’re not sure. He just thinks, unlike most scientists, that it’s not manmade, and “there’s always going to be either cooling or warming going on.” He also thinks discussion of what to do about climate change is a distraction. From what? Again, unclear. Maybe, he suggested, the EPA and how it over-regulates things.

Carson stayed true to this devil-may-care attitude about the environment on a recent jaunt to California in the midst of one of its worst droughts and most horrific wildfires in recent history. He just did not see that as climate change. And if he does not see it, it isn’t there.

6. Nope, I don’t see any racism.

Add racism to the ever-growing list of realities that Carson does not see. On a trip to Ferguson, Mo. this summer, Carson did not see racism. Never mind that whole Department of Justice report detailing chronic systemic racist policing in Ferguson. Not to mention a black community that has been starved of resources and services.

Rather than racism, Carson pitched the problem in Ferguson—and everywhere else black people suffer disproportionately—as one of education and respect. “Education is the great divide,” Carson said. “Children need to understand that they have to get a good education.”

So, to sum up, racism which does not exist is not to blame. Children, who do exist, are.

7. Planned Parenthood is a plot to kill black babies.

With this statement, Carson placed himself solidly in the Alex Jones insane conspiracy theory camp. He also called Planned Parenthood a bigger threat to black people than racism. We are running out of adjectives. Bonkers, insane, batsh*t crazy, certifiable… all seem inadequate to the task. A portion of Carson’s comments about Planned Parenthood:

…one of the reasons that you find most of their clinics in black neighborhoods is so that you can find way to control that population. And I think people should go back and read about Margaret Sanger, who founded this place — a woman who Hillary Clinton by the way says she admires. Look and see what many people in Nazi Germany thought about her.

Note how he cleverly worked in another ‘Nazi Germany’ reference. No need to shout when you can always use the dog whistle.

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/the_7_most_impressively_stupid_things_ben_carson_has_said_partner/
 
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 07:40 pm
I'd just read the pyramid story about Carson and posted this....didn't know #bencarsonwikipedia was trending at number one.

Guess Ben is having a particularly bad news cycle.

Don't know how he can come back from this.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 08:06 pm
@Lash,
Carson has no real chance of winning the nomination.

I think we are looking at Rubio as the Republican nominee.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 08:15 pm
@maxdancona,
It's just weird because Trump and Carson have been trading off the number 1 and 2 spots.

I hope you're right. As bad as Rubio is...
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 08:31 pm
video or it didn't happen.

Not that I am a Carson fan, but salon.com isn't exactly a grade 'A' news source. You are just spreading rumors that liberals will eat up like granola on a peace walk.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 08:44 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix, it really seems to me that Ben Carson is crazy. I don't think he could ever win in the general election. It isn't his politics (although I don't like his politics either), I don't think he has the mental capacity for the job.

I would expect that you would be a Rubio supporter. If I were a conservative, I would support Rubio.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 08:50 pm
@McGentrix,
here's one

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/03/04/new-day-ben-carson-gay-choice.cnn/video/playlists/gay-rights-movement/



(they are beyond easy to find)
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 08:59 pm
Carson on Big Bang Theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb1LgGlk3tw

about six minutes in, he also talks about Darwin being influenced by The Adversary
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 09:04 pm
I don't want to be in a position where I have to defend Carson so I am stepping out of this one.

Maybe someone else will do so. I have no desire to see Carson as President.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 09:04 pm
@McGentrix,
want more?

they're out there

(just watched a few - I'm sort of between horrifed and fascinated .... and definitely glad he's not a voting choice I'll ever have)
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 09:45 pm
@ehBeth,
Carson thinks the pyramids are grain silos because, you know, Bible.

Quote:
“Various scientists have said, ‘Well, you know there were alien beings that came down and they have special knowledge and that’s how they were,” Carson said, at a graduation speech at Andrews University, in 1998. (BuzzFeed found the video.) “You know, it doesn’t require an alien being when God is with you.” The explanation for the pyramids was not only divine but laid out in one of the best-known Bible stories, which tells how Joseph, after his brothers had sold him into slavery in Egypt, had interpreted a dream of the Pharaoh’s to mean that Egypt would have seven fat years followed by seven years of famine. The Pharaoh then assigned him to do some emergency planning. (Genesis 41: “Lay up corn under the hand of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities.”) “My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain. Now all the archeologists”—here, Carson waves his hand dismissively—“think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big if you stop and think about it. And I don’t think it’d just disappear over the course of time, to store that much grain.” Carson had his own take on the engineering: “When you look at the way that the pyramids are made, with many chambers that are hermetically sealed, they’d have to be that way for a reason.” The King’s Chamber, as he saw it, was not an instrument panel or a power substation, but a big Tupperware container.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2015 09:46 pm
@McGentrix,
Very smart.

If it makes you feel any better, I felt the same way about John Edwards.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2015 05:57 am
Carson is the nutty professor, maybe a genius in the operating room but in general life, a total loon.

No one should hire a guy that tried to stab someone or hit his mother with a hammer.

End the campaign, you're drunk.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2015 07:18 am
@Brand X,
Quote:
No one should hire a guy that tried to stab someone or hit his mother with a hammer.


You realize that he never did these things, right? The are part of his religious testimony, and everyone wants to have the best religious testimony.

A: Before I met Jesus I was a bad person. I told lies...
B: Before I met Jesus I was even worse. I was a liar and a drunk..
A: Well you didn't let me finish... before I met Jesus I told lies while drunk and kicking puppies
B: That's nothing... I kicked babies before I met Jesus.
A: Yeah! Well listen to what I did this one time before I met Jesus. I even...

You get the idea. In a religious social group where how much Jesus has changed you is a sign of the validity of your faith, the stories can get pretty good.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2015 12:35 pm
Just left this link a few minutes ago, though it relevant here.

Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2015 12:40 pm
@Lash,
I am curious as to why Carson and Trump are so high in the conservative polls and then nearly every conservative claims they don't support either one. Are they fake polls?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2015 12:46 pm
@revelette2,
I support Trump.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2015 01:02 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

I support Trump.


In a thread about Ben Carson... that doesn't sound so crazy.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2015 03:56 pm
@Brand X,
Yippee! A Brand X sighting!
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2015 04:00 pm
@revelette2,
I have to say, I used to pride myself in keeping it real with the peeps and having a bead on voting trends.

This cycle is batshit crazy. I won't even pretend to know wtf is happening in America except for a tidy crew of Bernie supporters.

Trump and Carson supporters defy explanation.
 

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