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Failed to get "theirs" - does it refer to "the duty of theirs/the soldiers"?

 
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 11:42 am

Context:

To be fair, I don't think the preacher thought he was serving up
a religious message. It was probably more military than religious,
in the spirit of Tennyson's 'Charge of the Light Brigade', which he
may well have quoted:
'Forward the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldiers knew
Some one had blundered:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

--Richard Dawkins
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 04:05 pm
Ah, " The Charge of the Light Brigade".

My heart still palpitates when I read that.

Yes, it refers to the soldiers' duty.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 04:09 pm
"The Charge of the Light Brigade"

by Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Half a league half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred:
'Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns' he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd ?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die,
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd & thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack & Russian
Reel'd from the sabre-stroke,
Shatter'd & sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse & hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred!
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 07:50 pm
@InfraBlue,
Thanks.
Half a league = the six hundred?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 11:03 pm
@oristarA,
No.

A league is a unit of measure for length. Half a league is about one-and-a-half miles.

The six hundred is in reference to the number of cavalrymen.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2015 11:39 pm
@InfraBlue,
Sad. Cannot find it out in Oxford:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/league?q=league+
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 12:07 am
@oristarA,
Look at "league²"
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 03:28 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Look at "league²"


Does "
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred" mean:

(1) The passage (with a distance of half a league) is "the valley of Death"?
(2) The six hundred men rode onward/in the valley?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 10:44 pm
@oristarA,
1)Yes.

2)The six hundred men rode through the valley, charging for the guns.

oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2015 11:32 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

1)Yes.

2)The six hundred men rode through the valley, charging for the guns.




Thanks.
Does "charging for the guns" refer to "charging directly facing the muzzles of the guns"?
layman
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2015 01:32 am
@oristarA,
Quote:
Does "charging for the guns" refer to "charging directly facing the muzzles of the guns"?


The specific line is:

Quote:
Charge for the guns' he said


Ultimately they are not ordered to charge "the guns," per se, but the bastards who hold them. A later line (after reaching their destination) is:

Quote:
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army while


Literally they are charging an "army" with men possessing guns. The order is to head straight for them and slaughter them.

In this context, "for" has a dual meaning:

1. in that direction and
2. for the purpose of eliminating the "guns"
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