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McGentrix wrote:

Someday, with proper education and tolerance, we too, can be on PDiddies level.

Somehow, I doubt it, but thanks for the concession anyway.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Personally, I think God might agree with me on this one.

Well, why don't you ask Dubya to ask him?

Unless you have your own personal hotline, that is...

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It's a non-discriminatory party line Pdiddie.

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Foxfyre wrote:

The voter disenfranchisement is because black voters are considered to have been at a disadvantage due to the machines they had to use to vote rather than due to any attempt by anybody to prevent them from voting Pdiddie. Which is the point McG made.

Does the fact that it's not true make any difference?

-Carpools of African-American voters were stopped by police, according to the Los Angeles Times (11/10/00). In some cases, officers demanded to see a "taxi license".

Hispanic voters were required to produce two forms of ID when only one is required. (source: Associated Press)

Voters were mistakenly removed from voter rolls because their names were similar to those of ex-cons. (source: Mother Jones magazine, http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/floridavote.html)

-According to Reuters news service (11/8/00), many voters received pencils rather than pens when they voted, in violation of state law.

-According to the Miami Herald, many Haitian-American voters were turned away from precincts where they were voting for the first time (11/10/00)

There are lots more examples. If you truly cared about it, one would think you'd do some investigating of your own!

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I would be happy to look at any credible sources....not hearsay or disgruntled complaints mind you but credible sources.....that back up the illegal acts you list Suzy. The link you provided doesn't work and you provided no link to check your other sources so we could determine the source of the allegation.

Evenso, it was not the kind of thing that you are mentioning that was the issue we were debating re the voting machines.

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"Evenso, it was not the kind of thing that you are mentioning that was the issue we were debating re the voting machines."
Sure it is. You both made a claim which isn't true, and there's the proof.
The sources are all listed, you don't need links to look them up.

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http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2000/11/jebbush.jpg

from

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2000/11/floridavote.html

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The wrongful-disenfranchisement question joins a lengthening list of voting irregularities in Florida. In Palm Beach County, thousands of Gore voters may have mistakenly marked their ballots for Pat Buchanan, thanks to a confusingly laid-out ballot. ABCNews.com reports that thousands of other Gore votes may not have been counted because of a computer error in Volusia County. Officials of both major parties also reported that many voters were apparently turned away from the polls and that some precints ran out of ballots. Several papers reported that white state Highway Patrol officers set up a checkpoint near a balloting site in a heavily black district in Broward County, allegedly prompting state and federal officials to investigate whether the incident amounted to intimidation against African-American voters.

In almost any other election, the number of potential wrongful-disenfranchisement errors would be so small as to not matter. But, if a couple thousand -- or even a few hundred -- people who would have voted were wrongfully deprived of their right to do so, it is at the very least possible that the election of the most powerful man in the world will have been swung by bad information about eligible voters fed into computers

that wasn't so hard. i think you can figure out how to follow the rest of the references, foxfyre. they're all there.

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GOP flier questions new voting equipment; [SOUTH PINELLAS Edition]STEVE BOUSQUET. St. Petersburg Times. St. Petersburg, Fla.: Jul 29,

"While Gov. Jeb Bush reassures Floridians that touch screen voting machines are reliable, the Republican Party is sending the opposite message to some voters.
The GOP urged some Miami voters to use absentee ballots because touch screens lack a paper trail and cannot "verify your vote."
That's the same argument Democrats have made but which Bush, his elections director and Republican legislators have repeatedly rejected.
"The liberal Democrats have already begun their attacks and the new electronic voting machines do not have a paper ballot to verify your vote in case of a recount," says a glossy mailer, paid for by the Republican Party of Florida and prominently featuring two pictures of President Bush. "Make sure your vote counts. Order your absentee ballot today."
The GOP tactic is the reverse of what Bush and state elections experts have said as they have repeatedly opposed Democratic moves, in the Legislature and courts, to require a paper trail on the machines."

St Petersburg Times

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Call me a cynic, but there's got to be something fishy with that!

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But nothing fishy with the Mother Jones (probably as liberal a rag as the New York Post is conservative) account you posted Suzy? Come on. I asked for verifiable accounts of voter fraud/voter disenfranchisement, not allegations and unsubstantiated accusations from disgruntled sore losers. Smile

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Umm... there were other sources there, missy.
But do go on believing whatever you want to, in spite of them all!
I wonder who the "some Miami voters" are?

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These people cannot be serious about making voting purely electronic. A set of electric charges, refreshed by another charge many times a second and which can disappear with the push of a wrong button.

Anybody in power can fix any election that way.

Maybe Orwell had it wrong. He made the date of his novel twenty years too early.

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Paper trails. Gotta have em!

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the reincarnation of suzy

What if the GOP bought 'hackers' to blow all the internet voting to Bush, and the Dems hired hackers to sway the voting to Kerry - this canceling each other OUT ALTOGETHER, THEN-- the FOX news came on with OPEN mouths and said,
"Why ain't anybody voting?"

Only in Uh- merika folks , only Uh-merika

Note to all who dislike hearing the Bush presidency happened because of voter disenfranchisement and other discrepancies.... It will continue as long as honesty lives, forever.
IT IS GOING TO STAND OUT ON HISTORY PAGES LOUDER THAN ANY OTHER EVENT IN UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. JUST WAIT AND SEE.
This gave the term "bushwhacked" new meaning.

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Here's what I don't understand. If these computer votes are so wrong and the ACLU doesn't want to use them, then how come they went to court last year in the CA governor. election and demanded that the vote be put on hold till they could be put into all voting areas? Last year they demanded them and this year they don't want them?

Here's something else. How come no one mentions the fact that the major networks called the election in FL for Gore an hour before the polls closed in the panhandle? If anyone were really paying attention they would know that a majority of voters in the panhandle are GOP and they didn't go vote because they thought it was over. Wouldn't this be disenfranchising the votes of people that would vote for Bush? I guess if you are voting for the GOP it doesn't count as being wrong.

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More than that Baldimo, they announced that the polls were CLOSED when the Panhandle still had an hour left to vote. We don't know how many votes were lost due to that fiasco.

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I guess if you are voting for the GOP it doesn't count as being wrong.

O Yes, Baldimo- voting for the GOP definitely counts as being wrong!
Wronger than you know- be sure to vote Democratic!!
Smile

Thanx in advance.

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Not going to happen, unless you can bring a snow ball back from hell.

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