Given X = Y
From 1600 to 1960 legal white AA: Y = (Y + 2) * 10
Resultant: X = Y : FALSE
AA, Reparations and other over time for blacks: X = (X + 2) * 10
Thus corrected inequality: (X + 2) * 10 = (Y + 2) * 10
Resultant: X = Y:
Simple Math!!!
Well such is a vengeful view of the world Noah. :wink:
I think I'm going to go kill some Americans because they have killed my forefathers. While I'm at it I think I'll go kill some Muslims because they have purposefully gone and killed Christians int he past. Then I look to be killed by other Americans and Muslims and soon no one but those rascally Siberians are left on the planet :wink:
Such would produce equality....regardless of how repugnant it may sound. However, I am not an advocate of the redistrubution of death, just wealth.
Besides...what does it say in the bible about sins of the father...and who shall inherit the burdens of those sins? Is God thus vengful too?
Noah The African wrote:Such would produce equality....regardless of how repugnant it may sound. However, I am not an advocate of the redistrubution of death, just wealth.
Besides...what does it say in the bible about sins of the father...and who shall inherit the burdens of those sins? Is God thus vengful too?
I don't think God can be mentioned in this scenario.
Seperation of church and state surely prohibits that from this discussion.
Noah The African wrote:. Your recommendations follow no laws of nature or mathematics that I know of.
Niether do the actions of humans in regards to thier desicions. You cannot take the laws of physics and apply them to an idea. That idea is equality.
Noah The African wrote:Some times controlled fires need to be set to stop the ravages of uncontrolled fires.
There is no uncontrolled fire burning in the case of AA. That flame, the flame of slavery, was put out many years ago. Youre argument was flawed.
Noah The African wrote:I flunked the 11th grade in high school. I graduated with a D average. However, I eventually went to college and earned a bachelors of Science degree. I have been tested for IQ and my average score is above 140......However, the point is moot because this is not about me, because I cannot extrapolate that what is true of me is true for the whole.
Why use your energy on those keystrokes? You even knew yourself it was a waste of time to type them. You did bad in high school but are now succesful. Congratulations, you're what we call an anomaly. Don't discredit one poster for including personal information and then turn around and perform the same action. You're only strengthening the argument that you're a hypocrite.
You cannot apply the law of phyisics to beings that are matter and energy in composition? AA is really an issue of economics and the allocation and distrubution of resources and opportunities. It is indeed an issue of matter and energry and hence physics, logic and mathematical reasoning. Everything breaks down into numbers...its that humans simply have not evolved to the point that we can do it.
Noah The African wrote: Everything breaks down into numbers...its that humans simply have not evolved to the point that we can do it.
Prove it.
Also, how can you make such a statement? If humans cannot break everything down into numbers, does that make you in-human?
So let's see...now we've got hypocrite AND arrogant. Possibly an extra-terrestrial.
No rebuttal for my other arguments towards you? Don't tell me you're backing down that easy.
My person example was an explanation of why using personal examples IS INVALID. I clearly stated that one cannot extrapolate what is true for them to be true of the whole. Furthermore, you cannot bare witness to whether I am an anomoly or not. You do not know everyones personal story to know what is and what is not an anomoly.
The wasted energy was yours...my friend. For me this is simply entertainment.
Noah The African wrote: AA is really an issue of economics and the allocation and distrubution of resources and opportunities.
Opportuinies. I've never heard of opportunities being understood by a mathematical expression, or a theory in the realm of physics. Please explain your reasoning.
CarbonSystem wrote:Noah The African wrote: Everything breaks down into numbers...its that humans simply have not evolved to the point that we can do it.
Prove it.
Also, how can you make such a statement? If humans cannot break everything down into numbers, does that make you in-human?
So let's see...now we've got hypocrite AND arrogant. Possibly an extra-terrestrial.
No rebuttal for my other arguments towards you? Don't tell me you're backing down that easy.
There was a point in human history were humanity did not understand the known laws of physics. Yet, now we have evolved to discorver the truths. Mathematics is the universal language of the universe of matter and energy. Given the fact that I am human, I cannot prove that evertthing can be broken down into numbers....because I do not know everything. What I do know is those things that we do understand and can qualify and quantify, can be communicated in numbers.
CarbonSystem wrote:Noah The African wrote: AA is really an issue of economics and the allocation and distrubution of resources and opportunities.
Opportuinies. I've never heard of opportunities being understood by a mathematical expression, or a theory in the realm of physics. Please explain your reasoning.
Your intellect would be unimpressive if I did not already know that it was constipated from bias. Bias is like cheese and pork to intellectual digestion. It can clog you up and you sir are in need of some fiber big time. Anyway, economics is the law of supply and demand. For the laws of supply and demand to manifest there has to be numbers. When GDP drops for two consecutive quarters, opportunity diminishes and jobs are lost in quantity. The supply of people out of work goes up as well as the unemployment rate. Its called a recession.
I did not come here to educate you....I came here to remind you of how truly uneducated you are.
I would like to hear what your idea of the positive effects of AA are, and what the negative effects are. Also, what are the positive and negative effects of a system without AA?
I have no bias clouding my mind. I have been in favor of AA, but after more discussion and thought, I was persuaded into the belief that it isn't right. It should not happen, period.
Minorities will sugar coat it with the arguments of the lesser chances and what-not, but it comes down to one cold hard fact. They have that human emotion called revenge. Their ancestors had to be slaves, so they deserve a leg up? I'm sure plenty of minorites, much like El Diablo, want to earn thier way, and not recieve a leg up because of the color of their skin.
One other point, can you tell me why, in the states norht of the mason-dixon line, and the states who were not yet established, why they should have AA.
Obviously there are whites in the states now, who are not ancestors of former plantation owners, who are still being slighted by this system. Not to mention, there are plenty of Africans, Hispanics, Chinese, Japanese, etc., who were not enslaved, yet they still reap the benefits.
The time of slavery is long gone, the prejudice should be too.
You yourself are prejudice. You believe that anyone with an opposing viewpoint of you, at least in this discussion, is biased. But to me, and I'm sure anyone who is reading, we will notice something. The one with the bias is not me---
It is you.
Of course there are negative consequences to Affirmative Action. I need not mention them. Suffice it to say though; there are negative consequences to nearly 4 centuries of white Affirmative Action. Which is more acceptable and fair; to leave blacks with the burdens of negative consequences or to have whites share in the burden?
If you check your history
.the north actually had slavery too. Slavery was outlawed in the north eventually, however. The misconception is to isolate black oppression to slavery or the South. When Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. marched in Cicero Illinois in the 60's, he noted that Chicago had some of the most racist whites he had ever witnessed. White racism is in the board rooms, hiring offices, banks, courts, police force and all aspects of power and life in America. Thus, white racism and discrimination against blacks have kept blacks from equal opportunity for a long time, in the north and south.
There was a recent study done by the University of Chicago that showed companies in their case study to filter out black sounding names from their pool of resumes and discard them. They had white and black testers send in resumes to these companies, with the blacks using names usually associated with blacks, with all other credentials being equal. They found that those resumes with black sounding names received 50% less calls for interviews than those resumes with white sounding names.
These are the type of things people like you will not accept exist
but they do. These type of things need to be offset somehow, because they happen frequently. One can look at AA as an offset to such behavior.
Noah The African wrote:These are the type of things people like you will not accept exist
but they do. These type of things need to be offset somehow, because they happen frequently. One can look at AA as an offset to such behavior.
I do accept it, but thank you for showing your bias and
prejudice towards me, and
people like me.
One can also look at AA as something that can make racism towards blacks and other minorities even worse. Don't you think some whites who are bitter about AA may have some racist feelings towards blacks? Or maybe the say racist things, because of AA?
I do not think that is a good argument. Saying that there should not be AA because some racist whites will have more rationalization to be racist is circular. It seems to all come back to giving white folks privilege. Everything has to pass the "white acceptance" test. Well, that is a piss poor methodology, given that the nature of white racism is to not accept those things that could positively impact blacks and other people of color. It says that we cannot offset white racism, because white racism is the ultimate judge and jury to proposals. White racism will not punish or hold itself accountable.
But thats hypocritical. You condemn "white racism" but support in essence racism against whites. Seems like the definition of "hypocrisy" to me.
Noah The African wrote:Everything has to pass the "white acceptance" test.
Is this your perception, or something that has actually been proven?
You seem to think that all of my statements are made because I am white. Tell me, would you be making this argument about someone who is black, but had the same views as I? If so, how could you, you try and attack my point of view accusing me of being biased, but my views are shared with many blacks, mexicans, etc., (el diablo is an example). So is this still an argument based on bias, or is it something else?
Did I qualify whites with a "your"? I did not say that everything has to pass "Your white" acceptance test. Thus, my statement has nothing to do with an assumption of your color. Hey...I do not even know what color you are and do not really care. The truth of the matter is that it has been white people who have filled suits against affirmative action and white folks who are the strongest force against it. Thus, given that America is over 70% white...it stands to reason that they have much pull in this democracy or represetitive Republic.
Then what bias do you refer to?
The bias of preconcieved notions!
What preconcieved notions do you accuse me of having?
