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SU-34: Coming after Obunga's ISIS butt buddies....

 
 
roger
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 07:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
Well, you're right. That's what I meant by expansionist.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 08:50 pm
@roger,
The trouble is, the West started it with our outrageous moves in Kosovo. We can't easily condemn Russia for using military force to redraw international borders when we do the very same thing ourselves.

What we really need to avoid is a Russian invasion of Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia. Once that happens it will only be hours before things escalate all the way to a large nuclear war.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 08:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
We need to understand that the Chinese think that they are very close to defeating stealth technology, and that the Russians are working closely with the Chinese generally.

"Stealth involving a large flying wing" and "stealth involving a traditional airframe" are two very different things.

Much of stealth involves shaping the plane so that the radar signal bounces harmlessly away from the plane instead of directly back at the radar receiver.

Anti-stealth radar involves using wavelengths so large that parts of the plane appear as a single pixel. If a photon sees part of the plane as a single pixel, it doesn't see the shape and thus doesn't know that it is supposed to bounce away from the airplane. With the F-22 and F-35 the weak points are the vertical stabilizers. If you get a wavelength large enough, the vertical stabilizers will reflect back at the radar receiver.

However, there are a couple drawbacks. The first is that with such a low resolution, it is hard to guide a missile accurately. It is likely that with enough computational power it can be done, but so far no one has mustered enough computational power.

The next drawback is that this frequency range is one of the easiest to jam or spoof. It is in the same frequency range that we used for TV channels 2 through 13 back in the analog TV days. Our electronic warfare guys could very well take over the airwaves and play Seinfeld reruns on all the enemy radar screens. Or better yet they could make recordings of fake radar images and play those recordings on enemy radar screens to trick them into firing their missiles at signals that aren't even there.

However, none of the above applies to a large flying wing like a B-2 bomber. With enough computational power someone might be able to make a radar work using a frequency that sees an F-22's vertical stabilizers as single pixels. No one is ever going to make a radar with a wavelength large enough to see the wings of a B-2 bomber as a single pixel.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:16 pm
@oralloy,
Is that low frequency radar able to determine range along with position? It just seems as though I heard something like that a number of years ago.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:16 pm
@roger,
No. This operation is about protecting Christians in the Levant and protecting Russia from having any of these lunatics come back to Chechnya and/or Russia with terrorist indoctrination and the kind of training they've had in ISIS. Russia has zero interest in owning other countries.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:22 pm
@roger,
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But the Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia. That is merely an assertation that you and the rest of the world needn't accept.


The official title of the tsars was "Tsar of all the Russias", meaning primarily 'Great Russia' (Russia), 'White Russia' (Belorus), and 'Little Russia' (Ukraine). That is the heart of the Slavic Orthodox world and Ukraine was the breadbasket of that world. The Ukraine, if run properly, could feed everybody from the Volga to the Atlantic and that in fact was Hitler's plan; the idea was to build a super-gauge train to haul foodstuffs from Ukraine to Europe and get Western Europe pretty much out of heavy farming altogether.

The bread-basket of the Slavic/Orthodox world... Did anybody REALLY expect Vladimir Putin to sit there and watch Bork OPbunga, George Soros, Monsanto, and Victoria Nuland just walk off that?? If nothing else, no rational person should have anticipated Putin just watching that jolly crew walk off with the Russian-speaking Eastern part of Ukraine or Crimea but, apparently, that was the plan.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:24 pm
@oralloy,
What do you make of this idea to defeat stealth with a lot of radar drones flying in a pattern and connected to a computer to decode the information, then when the chinese/russians get a hit they launch intercepts to go make the kill? Sounds intriguing to this layman.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:28 pm
@gungasnake,
It still comes back to the idea that they are calling it their own, which doesn't make it so - unless everybody lets them, which is what Hawkeye said.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:33 pm
@gungasnake,
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Did anybody REALLY expect Vladimir Putin to sit there and watch Bork OPbunga, George Soros, Monsanto, and Victoria Nuland just walk off that?? If nothing else, no rational person should have anticipated Putin just watching that jolly crew walk off with the Russian-speaking Eastern part of Ukraine or Crimea but, apparently, that was the plan.


It seems clear to me that neither Bill Clinton or Barack Obama gave two shits about what Bush promised gorbachev.

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/16/the-broken-promise-to-shevardnadze/?print=pdf
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 09:36 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

It still comes back to the idea that they are calling it their own, which doesn't make it so - unless everybody lets them, which is what Hawkeye said.

The Russians claim that we agreed and then broke our word, specifically that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama did.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 10:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
Don't know about that, but we can't give away something that isn't ours in the first place. I dunno, maybe Puerto Rico or Arkansas?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 10:15 pm
@oralloy,
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The trouble is, the West started it with our outrageous moves in Kosovo. We can't easily condemn Russia for using military force to redraw international borders when we do the very same thing ourselves.


Then again, of course..... The cat's meow of this whole stupid business will be watching about a thousand of those new Armata tanks with Serbian markings roll back into Kosovo. THAT would **** the neotards' minds so bad that they'd never be able to function again at all...


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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 25 Oct, 2015 10:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
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It seems clear to me that neither Bill Clinton or Barack Obama gave two shits about what Bush promised gorbachev.


You got it.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2015 06:00 pm
@gungasnake,
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By positioning the Moskva, a cruiser armed with S300 missiles, west of Latakia, the Russians have endangered the IAF's favorite corridor of flight into Syria. The IAF has no stealth capabilities to circumvent this anti-access/area denial — A2/AD — bubble, nor any other air force in the area.

Russian President Vladimir Putin managed to do in several days what US President Barack Obama failed to do in the last three years: He's created a true no-fly zone. Putin's actions suggest, in my opinion, that he's willing to force the coalition and the Israel air force into reporting and coordinating their flights in the region — an act I’m sure no one is in favor of or willing to comply with.

The Moskva carries an estimated 64 S-300 missiles, according to foreign sources), and could intercept multiple targets up to 150 miles away, making it a serious threat in addition to other Russian assets in the region.

http://www.businessinsider.com/it-looks-like-russian-warships-may-be-shutting-out-israels-air-force-access-to-syria-2015-10

That's par for this course.....
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2015 07:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Accompanied by his own Middle East adviser, Naji N. Najjar, Vallely held a quiet meeting at the Russian Embassy in Paris with Putin’s special representative for the Middle East and Syria, Mikhail L. Bogdanov.

Vallely proposed that the Russians meet with generals of the Free Syrian Army, which has sought the ouster of Assad.

Vallely, who has backed and helped secure TOW missiles for some of the army’s 40,000 to 50,000 fighters, told Bogdanov he believes the FSA could unite Syria.

“Nobody else has come up with a plan for Syria,” Vallely told G2Bulletin.

He explained that he originally was scheduled to meet with Russia’s ambassador to France but when ushered into the room, it was Bogdanov who greeted him.

Vallely’s meeting with Bogdanov comes as representatives of the United States, France, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are scheduled to meet in Vienna to discuss a political solution to the Syrian civil war, which is going into its fourth year. Millions of Syrians have fled the country, creating a refugee crisis in Europe.

Valley believes Bogdanov took the plan seriously.

Go to Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin for the full details of this story, and more.

“Putin knows he’s running the chessboard, and he knows that (President) Obama and the American government are just talk, they’re weak. So he knows that (Putin) can basically do whatever he wants to,” Vallely said.

“That’s why this plan is very optimistic in nature but certainly very doable if Putin wants to go that route.”

Vallely met the top Putin aide in his capacity as founder of the group Stand Up America. In the military, Vallely served in the Vietnam War and was deputy commanding general of Pacific Command.

Along with retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, Vallely co-authored the book “Endgame: The Blueprint for Victory in the War on Terror.”

‘Stop bombing them’

Vallely emphasized to Bogdanov that the Syrian people are not against the Russian people and their nation’s vital interests. But the general insisted that the first step is for the Russians to stop bombing the Free Syrian Army and innocent civilians.

A cease-fire, Vallely said, would help end the Syrian conflict through political compromise.

Go to Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin for the full details of this story, and more.

Just some of the provisions in Vallely’s plan include:

Current Syrian government officials, including Assad, would resign and be replaced by an interim government, parliament and president representing all Syrians and religious groups.
The new government would plan for future elections. All Syrians who have fled would be returned to the homeland through the Mediterranean ports of Latakia and Tartus, and Turkish passage zones.
Western Syrian territory would be secured and declared the Syrian Resettlement Zone for all Syrian refugees now in Europe, Jordan and Turkey.


http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/u-s-general-offers-syria-solution-to-top-putin-official/

Sounds real. Very bold plan, could work but who is going to pay? Is the West going to do it when Putin is running the show? For all the yakking about morals and the people come first that we hear from the corrupt and broken down West the idea that they are going to get their checkbook out for this is a stretch. We cant even get them to pay to run refugee camps, and this is going to cost a ton more than that for a long time.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2015 12:36 am
@hawkeye10,
File this under "The Professor does not know how to play this game but Putin does":

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America’s traditional Middle East allies, having run out of patience with President Barack Obama's policy in Syria, are now reaching out to a resurgent Russia -- even though it is bolstering the very dictator so many of them have pushed to leave power.

Some in Washington see the new ties as a threat to U.S. interests, especially because the U.S. has worked since the 1970s to keep Russian influence out of the Middle East. But the Obama administration sees an opportunity. The State Department is now quietly encouraging U.S. allies to engage with Moscow, as part of Secretary John Kerry's quest to win Russian support for a political process in Syria.

Kerry is the main U.S. official still arguing for cooperation with Russia to start peace talks that could resolve the Syrian civil war. But the Russian response has been consistently to rebuke Kerry’s offers. Since Kerry began his latest diplomacy push in the spring, the Russians have sent tanks, bombers and soldiers to Syria. The Russian air force has focused its bombing on the U.S.-backed opposition instead of the Islamic State, the terrorists whom Kerry believes present a common enemy for Russia and the U.S.

Nevertheless, Kerry has been pushing forward with his plan to convince Russia to be a partner in stabilizing the Middle East. He convened a meeting in Vienna last Friday between the foreign ministers of Russia, Saudi Arabia and Turkey and expressed optimism the four countries could work together on Syria.

“While we can agree to disagree on what and when might occur with respect to the resolution of the Assad problem, we clearly can agree on a process that helps to bring about a resolution of that question. And that is a very important starting place,” Kerry said.

After the meeting, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in his remarks to the press briefly focused on common objectives Russia shared with the U.S. But Lavrov used the opportunity mainly to launch into a broad criticism of U.S. policy in the region. He complained about the U.S. interventions in Iraq and Libya and said that Russia would never support a plan that included regime change in Damascus.

“I have already heard rumors that deals are being or will be made here that in a certain time period President Assad will go,” he said. “All this is not so.”

A senior administration official told us last week that this time around Kerry is trying to start a political process despite the disagreement over Bashar al-Assad. Kerry has said recently that the U.S. could accept Assad remaining in power for a transition period, but the official said the Russians won’t concede to that.

“If we can get into a political process, sometimes these things have a way of resolving themselves,” Kerry said Friday.

But while Kerry focused on convincing Russia to join with the West, Putin has been working to convince America’s Middle East allies that Moscow is the new power in the region.

Prince Turki al-Faisal, Saudi Arabia's former ambassador to Washington and former intelligence chief, said as much Friday at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. There he gave President Vladimir Putin credit for outmaneuvering the U.S. and said Russia was now in a position to demand attention and respect.

“Putin is a man who has done so much harm to innocent people throughout the area in Syria. But I must also consider that he is the head of a state, and that state is a big state, and he feels that state should have a decision-making role in the world,” he said. “And we have to deal with him. And it’s not that you ignore him or cast him off as a megalomaniac. He has a vision of the world and a strategy to put that vision in place.”

By hosting Assad in Moscow, Turki said, Putin sent a message to the region that anyone who wishes to oust Assad must go through him. Putin may not be sincere when he says he wants to fight the Islamic State, but the U.S.-led coalition has not committed the resources necessary for the mission either, he said.

While Russia participates in the new U.S.-led discussions over Syria, it is simultaneously striking side deals with U.S. allies to further its military presence there, which the U.S. government has called counterproductive.

On the same day as the Vienna meeting, Russia signed an agreement with Jordan to coordinate militarily against the Islamic State. The next day, Kerry traveled to Jordan and Saudi Arabia to discuss Syria with leaders there. (Putin didn’t have to go to Saudi Arabia; the Saudi defense minister had visited Moscow earlier this month.) And while Kerry was in the region, the government of Iraq announced it had given Russia the green light to begin airstrikes there too, over U.S. objections.

Other gulf states have sent senior diplomats to Moscow in the last two weeks to discuss Russia's recent moves into Syria. One senior Arab diplomat told us that these discussions were mainly to gauge Russia's long-term intentions in Syria and to try to persuade Moscow to bomb Islamic State targets rather than more moderate rebels.

American allies who are not active in multilateral diplomacy over Syria have been establishing closer ties to Moscow as well. This month, after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu went to see Putin, Israel established a hotline with Russia's military to avoid an accidental confrontation between their forces. After Egyptian President Abdel el-Sisi visited Putin in August, he pledged Egypt would work with Moscow against the Islamic State.

Retired General Jack Keane testified last week that Moscow is betting on U.S. inaction.

“Putin is counting on the United States’ fear of escalation and fear of confrontation to scare off any U.S. retaliation,” Keane said. “We need to continue to push for Assad to go, but lets be realistic. Russia, as Assad’s protector, will now play the decisive role.”

Some within the Obama administration tell us that Putin and Lavrov are leading Kerry on and that the only way Russia would become a constructive partner in Syria would be through coercion, such as sanctions against Putin or more military aid to the rebels Putin is attacking. But the White House is unwilling to escalate pressures against Russia because the guiding principle is to avoid a new crisis with Moscow.

The immediate problem with Kerry's approach is that it forces America’s friends in the region to hedge their bets and move closer to Russia. Over the long term, there is a contradiction in Kerry’s plan. Putin is either the key to a peaceful resolution in Syria or the main obstacle. He can't be both.


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-26/u-s-is-driving-mideast-allies-toward-putin
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2015 05:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
What do you make of this idea to defeat stealth with a lot of radar drones flying in a pattern and connected to a computer to decode the information, then when the chinese/russians get a hit they launch intercepts to go make the kill? Sounds intriguing to this layman.

I haven't heard about it. But I might have an idea what they are thinking of. The F-117 and F-35 have great stealth from the front, moderate stealth from the rear, and no stealth from the sides.

The thinking was that they would face the greatest danger when flying directly at a heavily defended target to bomb it, with a secondary threat of fleeing the area after dropping their bombs.

If a drone could get a radar image of a F-35 from the side, it could be shot down pretty easily. A couple F-117s got hit over Yugoslavia because we were lazy and had our guys fly the same route every time, and the Serbs positioned a radar where it would catch them from the side.

F-22s and B-2 bombers are much less susceptible to radar detection from the sides, so if this is what the drone-radar proposal is thinking of, they should fare better against it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2015 09:00 am
@oralloy,
stealth busting by interfererance is actually an old trick they were ******* with out at Nellis AFB . I dont think "parading" Russias weapons out to the world will do anything but allow us to "tweak" what we already know .

Russia and China have "caught up" to our 1990 stealth technology.
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2015 10:27 pm
41 of Obunga's ISIS butt buddies killed by Russian forces:

http://russia-insider.com/en/heres-list-41-moderate-rebel-leaders-who-have-been-killed-russia-began-its-air-campaign-syria

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A prominent Turkish journalist has compiled a list of 41 “moderate” rebel leaders who have been killed in the last 30 days. No wonder Washington is flipping out:


http://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/styles/1200xauto/public/users/%5Bcurrent-user%3Aoriginal%3Aname%5D/29-Oct-2015/dead-terrorist-leaders.png?itok=_B6oAF8Q
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2015 05:14 pm
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CAIRO (Reuters) - A militant group affiliated to Islamic State in Egypt claimed responsibility for the downing of a Russian passenger plane that crashed in Egypt's Sinai peninsula on Saturday, the group said in a statement circulated by supporters on Twitter.

Egyptian security sources earlier on Saturday said early investigations suggested the plane crashed due to a technical fault.

The claim of responsibility was also carried by the Aamaq website which acts as a semi official news agency for Islamic State.

"The fighters of the Islamic State were able to down a Russian plane over Sinai province that was carrying over 220 Russian crusaders. They were all killed, thanks be to God," the statement circulated on Twitter said.


this is unverified but we all know that one of the biggest fears for years has been that high quality anti aircraft systems that many want to give to the rebels fighting Assad would inevitably end up with ISIS, and that they would do exactly this. Word is that 2 arab nations have been doing just that, and I would not at all be surprised if the CIA has been doing it as well. The American corporate media has largely not noticed but ISIS has been doing very well on the Sinai.

Just as taking out Gaddafi was a huge blunder so is not supporting Assad turning out to be. Putin was completely right on both counts, The Professor was wrong.

We suffer from in inability to prioritize.
 

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