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Russia mulling break with NATO--Watching the Former USSR

 
 
Lash
 
Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 09:35 am
GEORGIA: MEDVEDEV READY TO DO WITHOUT NATO

(AGI) - Moscow, 25 Aug. - Moscow is weighing up the possibility of breaking all ties with NATO according to the Head of the Kremlin, Dmirtry Medvedev. In the course of a meeting in Sochi with the Russian Ambassador to NATO, Medvedev said: "we are ready to take whatever decision [is necessary], to suspend any ties we have [to NATO]". He continued to say that it would be a hard decision, but justified by the fact that the relationship between Moscow and NATO has got "decidedly worse".


http://www.agi.it/world/news/200808251549-pol-ren0041-art.html

Many of us are watching Russia with great interest, some of us, with great apprehension. Are they reconstituting? Annexing? What are your thoughts, concerns?
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 09:37 am
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26403580/
Medvedev: We Are Not Afraid of a New Cold War
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 09:38 am
@Lash,
http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/082608_coldwar.jpg
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 09:39 am
The recognition of SO and Abkahazia seems to represent the shattering of the status quo post-USSR.... Worried the world is trembling on the verge of a big conflagration to nab these little countries...
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 09:40 am
@H2O MAN,
Yup....what are your thoughts, H2O?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 09:43 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Yup....what are your thoughts, H2O?


The cold war never really ended, it just splintered and now seems to be reconstituting itself.

You can bet the 2 candidates will respond to this announcement...
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 09:51 am
@H2O MAN,
<perk> Looking forward to hearing contrasts in what they say!! I (head in sand) had imagined Russia wouldn't be able to reconstitute....Reagan would be sending troops... Interested in what Bush will say/do....bad time to be faced with this....changing administrations is a wobbly time... I imagine O and McC will be invited to high level briefings pretty soon to provide for seamless transition...
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 11:09 am
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/08/26/1292535.aspx
Pretty informative, involved blog on the situation.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 02:57 pm
@Lash,
The best news source I've found for international events/politics.
PS--Craven/Nick/whoever....I'm hating on this recent font...

http://www.eurasianet.org/
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 04:00 pm
@Lash,
I prefer the old font.

To my mind, the "Cold War" was the 3rd World War,
in that the communists were trying to enslave the entire world
for ideological purposes. From the beginning, according to Marx,
communism was a system of world government.

As it stands now, Putin is a de facto Czar of Russia;
i.e., I do not expect that he 'd endeavor to re-introduce the unlimited degree
of slavery of body and of mind that communism contemplated
( best demonstrated in the Red Chinese during the Korean War, and in the North Koreans).
Some degree of Russian expansion of territory can be accomplished without
the old communist obsessive insistence upon enslaving the entire world.

I do not believe that in the foreseeable future, the Russians will plunge
into any great imperialism.


As an aside, Putin blew my mind a few years ago,
interviewed on 60 Minutes when he wished all American families
a very happy Thanksgiving, in the most beautiful American English I ever heard !
If I had run into him and had a conversation in the street,
it woud never have occurred to me that he had not been born here.

I thereafter remembered that he had been an officer in the KGB.





David


Lash
 
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Reply Tue 26 Aug, 2008 04:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Smiling and thanks for your input, OmSig
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2008 05:09 am
@Lash,
I gotta say that when communism n the USSR went out of business on Christmas Day
of 1991, it was one of the 2 happiest moments in my life.
What a relief !





David
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Derevon
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2008 05:28 am
@Lash,
I think The Russians' actions are very predictable. I would liken Russia to a bear (coincidentally the president's surname means just this.) If you don't mess with it it's quite harmless; however, if you provoke it... I really don't know what the Georgian president was thinking when he gave the order to shell Tskhinvali into oblivion. He thought the Russians would just stand idly by and do nothing? I'm not saying the Russians are not to blame or anything. All I'm saying is that they're acting predictably. Of course they don't want a border towards NATO (whom they still consider somewhat of an enemy) anymore than say USA would want Russian military bases in Mexico.

I think Russia considers itself a great and powerful nation, but I don't think they have any particular desire to take over all Georgia, or any other of the former Soviet republics.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2008 05:48 am
@Derevon,
Quote:
I think The Russians' actions are very predictable.
I would liken Russia to a bear (coincidentally the president's surname means just this.)
If you don't mess with it it's quite harmless; however, if you provoke it...
I really don't know what the Georgian president was thinking when he gave the order
to shell Tskhinvali into oblivion. He thought the Russians would just stand idly by
and do nothing? I'm not saying the Russians are not to blame or anything.
All I'm saying is that they're acting predictably. Of course they don't want
a border towards NATO (whom they still consider somewhat of an enemy)
anymore than say USA would want Russian military bases in Mexico.

I think Russia considers itself a great and powerful nation, but I don't think
they have any particular desire to take over all Georgia, or any other of the
former Soviet republics.

This sounds reasonable to me.




David
rabel22
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2008 09:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I disagree.Will post more when i get time.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2008 02:42 am
@Derevon,
W showed the way to Putin by invading Iraq. W also broke the terms of the Salt Treaty by building missile sites in Poland and testing missile shields to shoot down ballistic missiles. What's good for the goose is equally good for the gander.

Bushes have used CIA in the Iran Contra affair that destabilized Carter's Administration. When Reagan got into the White House the Americans were released by the Iranians.

The Bushes are behind the Georgian invasion to influence the Presidential Race.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2008 02:47 am
@talk72000,
talk wrote:
The Bushes are behind the Georgian invasion to influence the Presidential Race.


Now, why the hell didn't I think of that?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2008 08:02 am
@roger,
Because you are smarter then that, and you dont have a paranoid mentality.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2008 08:42 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

talk wrote:
The Bushes are behind the Georgian invasion to influence the Presidential Race.


Now, why the hell didn't I think of that?


Well gee whiz, Roger, you should have. After they blew up the World Trade Center and and the New Orleans levees and all.

On a more serious note, however, I do think this fuss and bluster on the part of Russia is something that should not be taken lightly.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2008 10:05 am
@roger,
Bush has been busy creating Gustav, running around like a ninja, causing problems in Georgia....how he finds time to wreck the economy, I'll never know. An energetic guy.
 

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