SU-34: Coming after Obunga's ISIS butt buddies....

I mean, there actually are problems in the world which no economic policy could ever fix.

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the Russians might have another objective in deploying their latest jets to the theatre. "It may be a way for them to 'characterize' the F-22's radar emissions on their radar warning receivers (RWR) in a real-world environment," the senior Air Force intelligence official said.

http://warisboring.com/articles/russia-can-now-spy-on-the-f-22-over-syria/

Ouch.

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@oralloy,

Possibly a side benefit but far from sufficient reason for the expense of the present operation.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

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the Russians might have another objective in deploying their latest jets to the theatre. "It may be a way for them to 'characterize' the F-22's radar emissions on their radar warning receivers (RWR) in a real-world environment," the senior Air Force intelligence official said.

http://warisboring.com/articles/russia-can-now-spy-on-the-f-22-over-syria/

Ouch.

Absolutely Putin is both advertising Russia's new military capacity as well as is taking it out for a test drive to see how it does and to give his guys some real world training. THis Putin is one smart ************, and he has balls, as contrasted to The Professor as well as most of the Europeans.

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I note with interest that Putin is forcing Assad to stand for an election. Not sure that Putin is driving for, it might be moving Assad out or it might be proving that there is no alternative to Assad. but getting to be Assads boss is one of the things that using his military bought Putin.

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@hawkeye10,

Assad is an embarrassment to Russia. Today, Putin "Promised" to assist the Anti Assad freedom fighters to hit Isil in exchange for their positions.
Sounds like some desperation os beginning to show on the Russians unsymmetrical "battle plan"

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Assad is an embarrassment to Russia. Today, Putin "Promised" to assist the Anti Assad freedom fighters to hit Isil in exchange for their positions.
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Assad is in power only because the Russians have been supporting him for years. Did you know that the Russians have been for years sending Assad a constant stream of ships filled with military and civilian goods?

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Sounds like some desperation os beginning to show on the Russians unsymmetrical "battle plan"

The Russians so far have been very successful on the battlefield, and the gambit is working to refigure US and EU approaches to Russia, this has been a total win for Putin to this point. I doubt that there is any desperation.

Feel free to try again, but I suggest some learning up on the subject first.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

oralloy wrote:
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the Russians might have another objective in deploying their latest jets to the theatre. "It may be a way for them to 'characterize' the F-22's radar emissions on their radar warning receivers (RWR) in a real-world environment," the senior Air Force intelligence official said.

http://warisboring.com/articles/russia-can-now-spy-on-the-f-22-over-syria/

Ouch.

Absolutely Putin is both advertising Russia's new military capacity as well as is taking it out for a test drive to see how it does and to give his guys some real world training.

Characterizing the F-22 is much more than mere testing and training.

Radar reflects off different planes in different ways. Different planes all have different shapes, and the radar pulse can react differently to the spinning blades of different engines.

If you know exactly what the reflection off a given type of plane looks like on your radar system, your plane's computer can not only identify that there is a plane there, but it can identify the make and model of the plane as well.

A lot of times in war things are so chaotic that you don't know for sure if you are looking at a friendly or at an enemy. IFF transponders can identify a plane as friendly if they work. But they also fail now and then, so if you just blast every plane that doesn't broadcast an IFF signal, you are going to have considerable friendly fire losses.

But if you see a plane without any IFF transponder, that also matches the radar return of a type of plane that only the enemy is flying, then you can safely assume that it is an enemy plane and shoot it down.

hawkeye10 wrote:

THis Putin is one smart ************, and he has balls, as contrasted to The Professor as well as most of the Europeans.

I don't really get the Putin worship or the Obama hate. I mean I disagree with Mr. Obama on the gun issue of course. But I don't see his presidency as an unmitigated disaster. I'm rather happy that he is preventing US from getting deeply involved in Syria. The last thing we need is US soldiers on the ground in Syria getting shot at from all sides.

I'm also not really following the Syria thing closely. I didn't realize until just now that we were flying F-22s over Syria. Putin being able to characterize the appearance of the F-22 on a modern Russian radar is going to be very beneficial to any future Russian fighters that end up in a dogfight with an F-22.

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@oralloy,

I do think it likely that checking countermeasures to the f-22 stealth is likely going on. We need to understand that the Chinese think that they are very close to defeating stealth technology, and that the Russians are working closely with the Chinese generally.

THe major issue here is that the US spends a lot of money on Stealth, and so far Stealth tech has massively driven up the turn around times and driven down the availability rates of our aircraft and also because of the extreme costs per copy drive down the number of craft that we can buy. It is beginning to look like a huge blunder. The F-35 in that case is the culmination of the blunder.

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@hawkeye10,

I am also noting that in the last 72 hours ISIS has broken a critical regime Aleppo supply line. These guys continue to be majorly impressive on the battlefield.

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@hawkeye10,

I need none . Everything Ive stated is fact, you just need to read OTHER sources besides only those you agree with

Apparently you missesd PUTIN's own announcement this AM EDT. Support for years means nothing in todays geopolitics. Whether its an election in which Assad is turned from office or some other means, hes got a year and a half, two t the tops.
Russia is already recognizing that an "Afghanistandoff" may be creeping up.
US doesnt have to do a damned thing . I sure wouldnt agree to release information about the rebel positions(Since Russia has been bombing them more than they have ISil)

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I need none . Everything Ive stted is fqct, you just need to read OTHER sources besides only those you agree with

I read everything, will listen to anyone, and always have, that is how one gets educated. As you know full well.

Listen , I am fighting with enough people at the moment, I dont want to fight with you. You are both honest and cool most of the time.

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@hawkeye10,

scuse me while I puke!!.

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@farmerman,

I'll just wait here as you do that then.

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@oralloy,

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I'm also not really following the Syria thing closely. I didn't realize until just now that we were flying F-22s over Syria. Putin being able to characterize the appearance of the F-22 on a modern Russian radar is going to be very beneficial to any future Russian fighters that end up in a dogfight with an F-22.

Then again, the Russians might get lucky and only have to face F35s. In that case they can just send up some old prop-driven Yaks to shoot them down.....

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@farmerman,

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Russia is already recognizing that an "Afghanistandoff" may be creeping up.

One of the few things that the elite got right I think is that Putin was never driving to win the war and own Syria, that he is driving to get taken seriously and to be at the table with the EU and USA and the regional powers as the solution is devised. He has a lot of other pots on the fire too but to say that Putin is panicking because he has just figured out that he cant win Syria with his military is to prove that you dont have a clue what is going on. Putin, having fought in Chechnya, knows better than anyone else just how good ISIS is. Beating them will take a lot of countries on board and doing their best, there was never any possibility that Russia could do it alone, or even with Iran.

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@hawkeye10,

You don't feel that Russia is in a major expansionist mode world wide, then.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

You don't feel that Russia is in a major expansionist mode world wide, then.

Russia is trying to get back to what they had under the Soviets, as best they can. The Ukraine was the last straw, the west was warned constantly that Ukraine belongs to Russia, and the west was stupid and tried to get them anyways. Russia cant have that, and we cant do anything about that once Russia decides that they have to have Ukraine, which they always have. This all flows from yet another miscalculation from Obama, since we went after Ukraine Russia has no choice but to throw some shoulders and make it very clear that such bullshit from the West cant happen again. Reasserting themselves into the Mid East is one such shoulder. Showing the West that they are building a quality military and that they are not afraid to use it us another shoulder. Taking the Donetsk region was a shoulder. The Crimea was always Russian however, it was only on loan to Ukraine because of a Soviet mistake.

EDIT: i was not clear. Up till Ukraine, specifically the West inviting Ukraine into Europe, Russia was mostly OK with the idea that Russia could co-exist with Europe. Once we tried to get Ukraine Russia rightfully decided that it needed a buffer zone and it needed a good military. Now that they dont trust us (because we are not trustworthy, because we disrespected the bear and broke our words) the peaceful coexistence idea is dead. It is now Russia. China, Iran and how knows who else against the West.

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@hawkeye10,

But the Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia. That is merely an assertation that you and the rest of the world needn't accept.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

But the Ukraine doesn't belong to Russia. That is merely an assertation that you and the rest of the world needn't accept.

Russia says otherwise, and we cant do anything about it, so yes it does. It was real clear real fast that Europe will not go to war to keep Russia from having Ukraine, so that was that. And you should not expect Europeans to go to war for Ukraine, the place is a bankrupt wreck and it is run by a bunch of corrupt mostly incompetent oligarchs. It is no prize.

https://bakemeablog.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/possession-its-nine-tenths-of-the-law0011.jpg

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