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Strip Clubs and Cheating

 
 
Montana
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 06:27 am
I'd have a problem with any parner of mine that didn't think I was enough for him.
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pueo
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 07:01 am
i don't think you would have a problem with that Very Happy
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 07:05 am
I am a woman married (to a man) and I would not consider going to a strip place as cheating. Honestly I really don't think of it as a big deal. However, if my husband was going frequently I would be concerned. A couple of reasons that attending frequently would bother me - it would seem like seeing naked women was an obsession or that I must not be attractive if he wants to go so frequently. Also, spending my hard earned money (I earn more than he does - so I feel it justifies saying my hard earned money) looking at other naked women when he has a hot one at home just does not make financial good sense.

I would constitute anything involving touching (including a lap dance) as cheating. Looking is one thing, touching is another. It would also gross me out - to think my husband had a lap dance with some woman that I do not know what other things she is involved in and then wanted me to touch him-yeck.

I did have one girl friend that would get all bent out of shape if her boyfriend went to such places. Not sure if she considered it cheating, but it sure did tick her off.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 07:10 am
I voted yes, in that if one does not know this is disturbing to a woman, they're sufficiently clueless to question why they are in a relationship.

I've never "gotten" the idea of strip clubs . . . to me, it is the equivalent of going to a restaurant and paying to look at the food . . .
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 07:45 am
I've never gone and have no desire to go, but I did vote "No, but only if there is no contact". Looking is not cheating.

But of course, if your partner objects, then dont go. You can do without it.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 07:48 am
JLNobody wrote:
Why is this in the philosophy section? Because it's about values or social contracts?


Where would you prefer it be?
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limbodog
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 08:41 am
"cheating" means breaking the rules.

The rules should be set down in such a way that both parties understand 'em. That way it is clear what constituted breaking 'em.

I've known men and women who consider looking at another person who is attractive to be cheating.

And I have several poly friends who only consider sex with others cheating if they aren't informed about it in advance and invited out of politeness.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 11:08 am
Setanta wrote:
I voted yes, in that if one does not know this is disturbing to a woman, they're sufficiently clueless to question why they are in a relationship.

I've never "gotten" the idea of strip clubs . . . to me, it is the equivalent of going to a restaurant and paying to look at the food . . .



and i voted no, never. aren't we a fine pair. Shocked
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 11:11 am
Speaking of fine pairs . . . uh, well, never mind . . . i'll talk to you later . . .
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 11:47 am
I have it on very reliable information that the ladies, both single and married, get wayyy more rowdy at male strip clubs than men get at the regular filly shows.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 11:48 am
cavfancier wrote:
I have it on very reliable information that the ladies, both single and married, get wayyy more rowdy at male strip clubs than men get at the regular filly shows.


We are repressed. Can't help it. :wink:
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Heeven
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 12:31 pm
cavfancier wrote:
I have it on very reliable information that the ladies, both single and married, get wayyy more rowdy at male strip clubs than men get at the regular filly shows.


This is quite true. Been there, done that (and a guy probably would have been arrested for it).
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 12:38 pm
Sooo....is that cheating, or just civil disobedience?
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limbodog
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 12:58 pm
When I go to the strip club (haven't done it in a year because I've got a new girlfriend and the jury is out on whether or not she disapproves until she gets the chance to visit) I prefer to go with women.

The guys I would go with aren't that much fun there. Kinda like they take it too seriously?

But when I bring my female friends (I have a good number of bi/gay female friends) they have all kindsa fun! They're entertaining themselves Smile And my ex would ask if we could go every month. She apparently did not consider it cheating.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 03:13 pm
Kristie, good question. I don't know where I would "prefer" it to be located. It IS a matter of personal philosophy. I just think of philosophy in terms of impersonal abstract issues. How naive of me. Whatever side we take in an abstract issue, our "choice" is a reflection of our personal inclinations. Everything is personal.
A friend of mine the other day asked me to resolve a dissonance. I insisted earlier to him that I never "cheat" on either a wife or a "girlfriend", that I divorce or break up before having an affair. That is true. But he has noticed that I am a chronic flirt. This is a quality I share with my father. We both seem to pay undue attention to women we find attractive--and that includes a lot of women. Yet we never "move on them." They have to literally seduce us. And we do not respond if we are involved with a woman. I told him that I flirt without even being aware of it. Fortunately, my wife doesn't mind (she just thinks it is a courtesy to her never to do so in her presence. I agree). My friend asked me what would I do if a woman were to misinterpret my attentions and come on to me. I answered that I would probably have a panic attack. That I consider it an erotic episode when a woman doesn't slap me for a compliment. What a wimp I've become. Embarrassed
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2004 07:48 pm
I'm shocked that two people actually voted "yes, everytime" Shocked

Seriously... Its just looking at hot ladies. Not very far removed from seeing porn or what have you. You start to get into the "cheating" realm when serious physical contact starts to take place (kissing on the mouth, any of the three main sex acts). A bikinied heiny wiggled in your face is no biggie.

I remember going to strip clubs with a girlfriend I had, and she loved it as much as I did. God bless her soul...
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2004 07:35 am
JLNobody wrote:
That is true. But he has noticed that I am a chronic flirt. This is a quality I share with my father. We both seem to pay undue attention to women we find attractive--and that includes a lot of women. Yet we never "move on them."


Nothing wrong with flirting. In fact, nothing wrong with finding another person sexually attractive. Human nature. Difference is that moment of truth when you decide what to do with that feeling. Act on it or leave. And you've stated that you leave so good for you Very Happy . An honest man. Shocked Just kidding... Laughing
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Montana
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2004 09:32 am
JustanObserver wrote:
I'm shocked that two people actually voted "yes, everytime" Shocked

Seriously... Its just looking at hot ladies. Not very far removed from seeing porn or what have you. You start to get into the "cheating" realm when serious physical contact starts to take place (kissing on the mouth, any of the three main sex acts). A bikinied heiny wiggled in your face is no biggie.

I remember going to strip clubs with a girlfriend I had, and she loved it as much as I did. God bless her soul...


I feel the same way about porn. If a guy who is with me feels the need to watch porn, he's not with me for long. Some women are not bothered by this, so all the more power to them, but to each their own.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2004 09:51 am
My girlfriend hates stripclubs too, and would get pissed if I went. I haven't been in a while, so I haven't had to deal with it...but I don't think it's a big deal, definitely not cheating. I wouldn't care if my girlfriend went to a male strip club.
I think it all comes down to people having insecurities...women who think it's cheating are probably thinking the worst when it comes to what goes on in those places.
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najmelliw
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2004 09:55 am
Depends on the partner I guess. If (s)he is ok with it, I see no problem in going to a stripper. Whatever floats ur boat. Some people may even need it to become aroused.
On a personal note, I wouldn't go I guess. My take is I'd rather go for the whole package then for the look, but don't touch. And I would only go for a whole package if I'm available.

Naj
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