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Another Day Where We Do Not Know If Any Gods Exist Or Not!

 
 
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2015 02:55 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:
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Others, such as Sam Harris, compare religion to mental illness, saying it "allows otherwise normal human beings to reap the fruits of madness and consider them holy."
Most religions misrepresent God to maintain their power. This, in itself, neither proves nor disproves God's existence
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2015 03:32 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Another picture I took during my trip around the New York harbor. Sail boats sailing near the Statue of Liberty.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/frankapisa/recent%20pixs%20for%20Internet/100_2547_zpsgdclt5ph.jpg
Makes you wonder why anyone would want to go to heaven.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2015 03:55 pm
@neologist,
It is beautiful, isn't it, Neo.

Maybe that is why you want "the reward" to be here on Earth.

Anyway...the cool breezes and mind-boggling views on the Hudson River's exit into the harbor on a hot summer's night...

...is often described by people on the boat with, "Ohhhh, this is Heaven."
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2015 04:27 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I gotta tell ya, Frank. . .
Well. . .
I already did
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2015 05:44 pm
@neologist,
By the way...in the background of that picture is one of the Staten Island ferries...the best buy in the world.

A trip on the Hudson River of about a half hour...at a cost of...

...zero.

It is free.

Here's a closer up picture of the ferry (in the Manhattan berth) that goes between Manhattan and Staten Island 24 hours a day.


http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/frankapisa/recent%20pixs%20for%20Internet/100_2541_zps7gvpfrxs.jpg
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2015 05:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Wow!
Washington State ferries sock it to ya!
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2015 03:13 am
http://whattoseein.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Yosemite-National-Park.6.jpg

Another Day Where We Do Not Know If Any Gods Exist Or Not!
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timur
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2015 05:45 am
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The Argument from Reason for the Nonexistence of God



The Argument from Reason (AR) Formulated

(A) If God were to exist, then he would desire theistic belief on the part of all (or almost all) humans during their earthly lives.

(B) Therefore, if God were to exist, then probably very few (if any) humans would possess a capacity to reason which could render it difficult or impossible for them to acquire/retain theistic belief. (Let us call such a capacity to reason "CR" for short.)

(C) But it is not the case that few (if any) humans possess CR. On the contrary, millions (perhaps even billions) of humans possess such a capacity.

(D) Hence [from (B) & (C) by modus tollens], probably God does not exist.

Source
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2015 09:50 am
@timur,
timur wrote:

Quote:
The Argument from Reason for the Nonexistence of God



The Argument from Reason (AR) Formulated

(A) If God were to exist, then he would desire theistic belief on the part of all (or almost all) humans during their earthly lives.

(B) Therefore, if God were to exist, then probably very few (if any) humans would possess a capacity to reason which could render it difficult or impossible for them to acquire/retain theistic belief. (Let us call such a capacity to reason "CR" for short.)

(C) But it is not the case that few (if any) humans possess CR. On the contrary, millions (perhaps even billions) of humans possess such a capacity.

(D) Hence [from (B) & (C) by modus tollens], probably God does not exist.

Source


Timur, my good friend...item A...a very important item in this bit of pseudo-logic...is begging the question.

Actually...it is BEGGING THE QUESTION...because one does not get much more beggier.

Unless you were aiming for laughs...I suggest you start over.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2015 01:19 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:
The Argument from Reason for the Nonexistence of God

The Argument from Reason (AR) Formulated

(A) If God were to exist, then he would desire theistic belief on the part of all (or almost all) humans during their earthly lives.
In fact, true theistic belief is the goal (Matthew 24:14) BTW, JW publications are now available in over 700 languages. The goal for 2015 is 1000. Even the UN can't match that.
timur wrote:
(B) Therefore, if God were to exist, then probably very few (if any) humans would possess a capacity to reason which could render it difficult or impossible for them to acquire/retain theistic belief. (Let us call such a capacity to reason "CR" for short.)
B does not follow A.
It is is a pathetic attempt by the author to proclaim his CR
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 02:17 am
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRewYX6ZOby24Tox6rOAspEoPs3ntO_6nj4LVOFSfDSQ8gOqqNntw

Another day where we do not know if gods exist or not!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 02:25 am
@Frank Apisa,
That's very Autumnal looking for July Frank. Are you suggesting God is mucking about with the seasons?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 02:33 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

That's very Autumnal looking for July Frank. Are you suggesting God is mucking about with the seasons?


God???
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 02:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
Sorry, Mr O God. You're such a stickler for formality.
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zgetman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 07:31 am
@timur,
I simply want to give my two cents on this subject. I have been a practicing Christian for over 4 years now. I am 34 yrs old, with a wife and two children. I was there to experience the birth of my 2nd son, and that was a miracle to behold. But the miracle I want to talk about is the one God, yes I said God, preformed in my life.

I was 29 and I had not attended a church service in over 7 years. I had thought there was a God before but did not know for sure. At this time in my life I found myself relying on pornography, alcohol, and my love of computer games to get my through my marriage, that was in total ruin. I was invited to church one day and after much debate with myself I decided what could it hurt.
So in November of 2010 I attended a First Assembly of God Church. I remember the worship service the most. I was watching the people dance around, clap there hands, and raise their hands in the air while they sang to God. I thought the music was neat. It was really up beat and the sermon was not all that bad either. So I decided I would give this church thing another try. I gave the church a try more than just one Sunday. I started going every Sunday. I really started enjoying the worship service and the preacher was great too. He always seemed to know what I had done through out the week and was telling the whole congregation in his sermons. Then I realized something. This was not the preacher talking it was something bigger. The preacher asked if anyone there wanted to know Jesus in a special way and I hesitated just like always. I held back until I was almost pushed out of my seat. I thought it was my wife but she was already at the front of the church praying. So I made my way down, and right there and then I dedicated my life to Jesus.

Guys it didn't stop there. That Sunday morning was just the beginning for me. I had been really feeling a new presence in my life. I was trying to be a better husband and not look at all the pornography, and do all the drinking. I even started to stop swearing. Then one Sunday there was another invitation to come to the front of the Church to pray. I answered this call the same way I answered the last but this time I ran to the front and I had beat my wife. Before I knew what was going on, I was filled with the Holy Spirit. I knew at that time without a shadow of a doubt that there is a God. He rested his hands upon my shoulders and told me I was forgiven for all my past sins.

I am not by no means a perfect Christian, but I do know that there is a perfect God. And he loves each and everyone of us. He loved us so much that he sent Jesus down to earth to be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. And you want to know how much more he loves us? He loves us so much that He gave us free will. The choice to choose Him or to choose the world. He loves us so much that He does not force Himself on us, because He wants us to freely choose Him.

For you guys that think the day we die and we are standing at Heaven's doors, God is going to ask us all where we want to be, Heaven or Hell. I have one thing to tell you. The Bible is a road map to Heaven. Only by this road map can you get there. Jesus says "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

If you can't come to the Father except through Jesus then the Father will never know you. Therefore, if He never knew you how can you enter in His home.

With Love
Zgetman
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 08:46 am
@zgetman,
zgetman wrote:
. . . The Bible is a road map to Heaven. . .
Why did Jesus say the meek will inherit the earth?
zgetman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 10:17 am
@neologist,
Jesus said," Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." Matthew 5:5

We need to understand what Blessed means in this scripture. It means to be joyful, or happy.

Next we is to know what exactly meek is. If you look at Webster's dictionary, Meek is - quiet, gentle, and easily imposed on; submissive
We as a culture take that meek also means you are weak, but in biblical terms meek means - power under control, being gentle with authority

As far as the last part, that is up for your interpretation. In the Bible is speaks of the New Jerusalem that will be rebuilt here on earth. I am not positive, but I believe that is after the trials and tribulations in Revelations. There is a lot to study about this time, and what happens. Jesus could have been referencing, Psalm 37:11, which says, “The meek will inherit the land and enjoy peace and prosperity.”

I hope I shed some light on it.
timur
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 10:54 am
zgetman wrote:
I hope I shed some light on it.


Why would you think that?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 10:54 am
@zgetman,
This should probably be in another thread. But Frank is a patient fellow:
Read on in Psalm 37:
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The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.(Psalm 37:29) (emphasis mine)
A little more info from Proverbs:
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For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it. (Proverbs 2:21-22)
There are a few who go to heaven, however. And, what will they do there?
Quote:
9And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation 10“You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.” (Revelation 5: 9,10)
The fact is, according to the Bible, God has not abandoned his purpose of having the earth populated with perfect humans. Hence, the promise regarding Jesus in Genesis 3:15
Quote:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jul, 2015 10:57 am
@neologist,
Yo, Neo,

You and Z...and anyone else who wants to discuss anything...

...please feel free to do so. Make it be on any subject you find interesting.

I have no problem with that at all.
 

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