Men who look bad; Women who act badly

Well, I think reality shows are a buncha junk and don't come even within a continent of reality. It's just "types" (the bitch, the schemer, the nice guy, whatever) that the producers, etc. are foisting on the public because, for whatever silly reason, the public eats it up. I think it means squat.

As for men not dressing well, perhaps that's just men you've known; my husband, my brother, and most of the men I know dress perfectly fine and appropriately. My dad, on the other hand, is the exception, but he's color blind so we'll cut him some slack. :-D

And, as for one race of men being more charming than another - huh? Again, I don't see it and I suspect you're just looking at a small sample. I don't see race having anything to do with such things any more than eye color or fingernail length does.

PS The guys who sell/give away the newspapers for the homeless are hired because they're charming. They're essentially meant to be sales people.

If it's the same paper I'm thinking of there are guys (of all races) all over Cambridge hawking that paper. It's a project for one of the homeless shelters where the residents collect the news, print it and sell it themselves. Not only are they charming, they're flat broke!

Actually my husband is a very good dresser and he is neater than me. He irons everything including his jeans. He is extremely picky on his clothes. His has such good taste in clothes that I trust him (in most cases) to pick out clothes for me. He usually even gets my size right.

I agree with jespah and the race thing. I never heard of one race being nicer than another or more charming.

As far as women behaving badly. That is insane. Most women do not resort to that sort of "cat fight" mentality. What do you expect if you watch reality TV? Are you really expecting reality?

Re: Men who look bad; Women who act badly


I think you have an unhealthy obsession with broad stereotypes.

From characterizing conservatives as more sex crazed to races and manners...

<shrugs> It takes all sorts.

My, aren't we all in a foul mood?

At the risk of stereotyping, it seems to me that gay men are also better at gay-sex than straight men.

As a typical warm-blooded slobby straight guy with tons of machismo, I feel the need to challenge you, and prove you wrong.

race doesn't influence personality (I know plenty of black men that are jerks & plenty of white men that are absolutely charming)

sexual orientation doesn't influence ability to dress. (my brother is gay, and I wouldn't let him give me clothing advice - EVER)

Ha-ha! Nice.

<smiles> The "we" soulds like a doctor. "How is our leg doing today?"

If we agree with your stereotypes will you describe our moods in more palatable terms?

Or perhaps our moods are not the issue and we simply disagree? I think we can both be shiny happy people and disagree on the stereotype you propose.

I find I'm agreeing with the Kool-Aid kid. :-D

I have heard so many white women make the statement that black men have better personalities than white men so many times over so many years across three states, that I thought it would be a fun topic of conversation.

Instead, I was greeted by the bucket brigade. Sheeez! And when I think of the numerous times that discussions have devolved into breast beating over smoking and quitting smoking and I just clicked off, well, hey! Why does my recounting something I have heard often bother people?

Well, I will go so far to say that race does influence personality, especially here in the US where race still matters quite a bit. Yeah, I've known black guys that were jerks. I'm thinking of one right now who was part of a circle of friends that revolved around people living on Fourth Street in Detroit, circa 1969-71. He finally caused everyone to abandon him. But he was terrific fun when we first met him. Yeah, I've known white guys who were jerks. Charming? Hmmm.

Charm for men changed quite a bit over the past century. Look at mid-century movies, like The Thin Man series and some of the old Cary Grant films. William Holden and Cary Grant wouldn't make it as admirable men today. Charm is something gone from male actors and I suspect from males in general. Most of the men that I would consider charming are older.


Anyway, more than once, walking with a woman friend through Harvard Square and encountering a paper salesman, the friend has remarked, "With his personality, why is he homeless?" or "If he had teeth, he's be dangerous!"


As for women, seems to me there are a lot more rhymes with riches than there formerly were. I just don't understand why a man would go out with a woman who is whiny, demanding, critical, cold and insistent on having her way.

There are so many charming people around, male and female, all different tones of skin. I'd be sad if I didn't know them.

Everyone knows that when white women say that black men have better personalities and are more charming than white men, it is just polite woman-speak for "huge willies." Incidentally, we are having fun with this topic of conversation.

I'll tell you what, Cav. I'll try to be more diplomatic if you'll trim your hair and put on some decent clothes. Okay?

There are some extremely charming young men in this office. It is a distinct pleasure to spend time with them.


Makes me feel unancient for a few minutes

My parents always taught me to never judge a book by it's cover...therefore, I don't judge anyone by their race, sex, class, status, etc. Instead, I let them, their personality, their demeanor speak for itself and it's from that place that I then make any judgements about them I deem necessary.

Never! Muahaha...<runs back to gus's swamp for comfort>

(Whew! I didn't want to have to be nicer anyway!)