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Mon 15 Jun, 2015 09:00 am
Does "even to those in their grip" refer to "even those desires that are in their control are pathological as well"?
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According to compatibilists, if a man wants to commit murder, and does so because of this desire, his actions attest to his freedom of will. From both a moral and a scientific perspective, this seems deliberately obtuse. People have many competing desires-and some desires appear pathological (that is, undesirable) even to those in their grip.
- Sam Harris Free Will
@oristarA,
No. It means that some desires appear pathological even to those who have those desires.
@oristarA,
Your phrase,
Quote:even to those in their grip.
...
means.. literally...those who are in their influence.
Sorry guys.
Reading your replies and nothing got improved in understanding.
I'm sorry.
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
Does "even to those in their grip" refer to "even those desires that are in their control are pathological as well"?
Hmm, what does "their" in your paraphrase refer to?
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
some desires appear pathological
Those people who are in the grip of pathological desires.
Some desires appear pathological even to those people who are having the desires (and who are powerless to resist having them).
@oristarA,
oristarA wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
oristarA wrote:
Does "even to those in their grip" refer to "even those desires that are in their control are pathological as well"?
Hmm, what does "their" in your paraphrase refer to?
The People's.
Then your paraphrase is incorrect.
@Tes yeux noirs,
Tes yeux noirs wrote:
Some desires appear pathological even to those people who are having the desires (and who are powerless to resist having them).
I'm sorry it was still offering no help.
My understanding seems to protest that the people who are powerless to resist having pathological naturally suffer such pathological thoughts/desires. Isn't it useless? Supposed one is powerless to resist illness, one of course gets ill often. To say illness even appears to powerless people is a tautology.
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
oristarA wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
oristarA wrote:
Does "even to those in their grip" refer to "even those desires that are in their control are pathological as well"?
Hmm, what does "their" in your paraphrase refer to?
The People's.
Then your paraphrase is incorrect.
That's why I post the question and now you've enhanced the question.
@oristarA,
The control is held by the pathological desires over the people who have these desires. The pathology of these desires is perceivable even to these people.
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