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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 11:55 am
Duplicate post
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:04 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
Shocked
Ican, do you realize what this means ......... we agree 100% on something....... AIIEEEEEE Run away run away!!! it's the last sign of the Apocalypse ..... So it is written that the elephant shall lie down with the donkey and they shall become one in the last days Shocked Shocked Shocked

My cup runneth over! Smile
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:07 pm
Braggart
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:11 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
Braggart

Try my cup. Then if you like it, make one like it for your own. Very Happy
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:14 pm
Not after you've had your stuff in it ..... ewwwwwww
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:18 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
Not after you've had your stuff in it ..... ewwwwwww

Ok! Then make a cup for yourself that will run over, instead of flaking and cracking when other people's cups run over. Laughing
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 12:40 pm
Nah, I'll just stick with my old burlap one .... thanks n e how
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 01:22 pm
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ITALY TO BEGIN WITHDRAWAL

Italy will start withdrawing its troops from Iraq in September, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has said.

"We will begin to reduce our contingent even before the end of the year, starting in September, in agreement with our allies," he said in an interview on state television.


Mr Berlusconi said he had spoken with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and had concluded that public opinion in both countries favored a troop withdrawal.

Italian deputies voted by a large majority this week to maintain Rome's 3,000 troops in Iraq for another six months, mirroring the approval of the upper house Senate last month.

Berlusconi's centre-right government deployed the peacekeeping force in June 2003, following the US-led invasion of Iraq.

Italy has 3,000 troops in Iraq, the fourth largest foreign contingent after the United States, Britain and South Korea.

Last Updated: 19:07 UK, Tuesday March 15, 2005
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 01:26 pm
Who does that leave?

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 01:27 pm
I am sure grateful for the assisstance they have given. Hopefully US troops won't be too far behind them.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 01:34 pm
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Iraqi general shot dead by US troops at checkpoint west of Ramadi: police

Published: 3/15/2005

RAMADI, Iraq - The deputy commander of the Iraqi army in western Al-Anbar province was shot dead by US troops at a checkpoint Tuesday night, a police officer said.

"The US forces opened fire at 8:00 pm (1700 GMT) on Brigadier General Ismail Swayed al-Obeid, who had left his base in Baghdadi to head home," police Captain Amin al-Hitti said.

"They spotted him on the road after the curfew, which goes into effect at 6 pm," the officer said in Baghdadi, 185 kilometres (142 miles) west of the capital.

No immediate reaction was available from the US military.

US forces have struggled to build up Iraqi security forces in Al-Anbar, where the country's insurgency is at its strongest, and many police and national guard units are suspected of having been infiltrated by rebels.


03/15/2005 19:13 GMT
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 01:36 pm
Sad

Apparently we have a small, embarassing checkpoint problem these days...

Cycloptichorn
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 01:49 pm
Put some of those guys on the Mexican border .... voila .... no more illegal aliens
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 01:49 pm
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The U.S. contractor working on the project repeatedly warned the task force headed by Army Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus that a Lebanese middleman involved in the deal might be routing kickbacks to Iraqi Defense Ministry officials. But senior U.S. military officials did not act on the contractor's pleas for tighter financial controls, according to documents and interviews.

"If we proceed down the road we are currently on, there will be serious legal issues that will land us all in jail," the contractor, Dale Stoffel, wrote in a Nov. 30 e-mail to a senior assistant to Petraeus.

Eight days later, Stoffel was shot dead in an ambush near Baghdad. The killing is being investigated by the FBI, according to people who have been interviewed by the bureau.


Now, we ask ourselves, how could this money be unaccounted for? Isn't it just sitting in a bank somewhere waiting to be transferred?

The answer is no. Why? Because we pay people in cash in Iraq, and it's hard to trace. Makes it convienently easy to steal money, doesn't it?

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 02:31 pm
Who ever said bringing democracy to Iraq was without kickbacks and fraud? That still happens in many parts of the world with western contractors.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 03:01 pm
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Shi'ites and Kurds close to Iraq deal
Tue Mar 15, 2005

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Shi'ite Muslim and Kurdish politicians are nearing agreement on forming Iraq's next government, officials from the two sides have said.
"We expect to sign a declaration in the next few days on general principles that include dealing with the city of Kirkuk according to the interim constitution," Mohammad Bahr al-Uloum, a member of the majority Shi'ite bloc in parliament told Reuters on Tuesday.

A Senior Kurdish politician said the Kurdish leadership has agreed to deal with Kirkuk according to the interim constitution, which says land disputes there must wait until a new constitution is written by October and a census is conducted to determine the ethnic mix-up of the city.

"There is agreement with the United Iraqi Alliance on these principles," he said.

Discussions between the Shi'ite bloc and the Kurds who won between them the two-third seats needed to form a government in the January 30 elections have foundered, mainly over Kurdish wishes for control over Kirkuk, an oil centre inhabited by Arabs, Kurds and Turkmens, and over power sharing.
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George
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 03:13 pm
This is merely postponing the showdown over Kirkuk. Kurds, Turkomen,
and Arabs will want to pack the city with their numbers before the census.
It could get very ugly indeed.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 05:22 pm
Normally I would post an excerpt of an article this long with just a link. But to counter all the negative, black shroud, defeatist posts over the last several days, I'm going to post it in its entirety.:

Amir Taheri: Pests in freedom's way

15mar05

THROUGHOUT the debate that preceded the liberation of Iraq two years ago, supporters of Saddam Hussein claimed that any attempt at removing him from power by force would trigger an explosion in "the Arab street". As it turned out, the explosion they had predicted did take place, but only in Western streets, where anti-Americans of all denominations, their numbers inflated by the usual "useful idiots", marched to keep the Baathist butcher in power.

More than two years later, however, the Arab street seems to be heading for an explosion. From North Africa to the Persian Gulf and passing by the Levant, people have been coming together in various "Arab streets" to make their feelings and opinions known. These demonstrations, some big, some small, have several features in common.

Unlike the rent-a-mob marches concocted by the Mukhabarat secret services, this latest spate of demonstrations was largely spontaneous. Nor are the demonstrations controlled by the traditional elites, including established opposition groups and personalities.

In almost every case, we are witnessing a new kind of citizens' movement, an Arab version of people power in action. But the most important feature of these demonstrations is that they are concerned not with imagined external enemies - be they Israel or the US - but with the real deficiencies of contemporary Arab societies. In almost every case the key demand is for a greater say for the people in deciding the affairs of the nation.

It is, of course, far too early to speak of an "Arab spring".

It is not at all certain that the ruling elites will have the intelligence to manage the difficult transition from autocracy to pluralism. Nor is it certain that the budding democratic movement would produce a leadership capable of mixing resolve with moderation. The deep-rooted Arab tradition of political extremism may prove harder to dissipate than one imagines.

What is interesting is that there are, as yet, no signs that the "Western street" may, at some point, come out in support of the new "Arab street".

Over the past two weeks several Western capitals, including London and Paris, have witnessed feverish activity by more than two dozen groups organising meetings and marches to mark the second anniversary of the liberation of Iraq. The aim is not to celebrate the event and express solidarity with the emerging Iraqi democracy, but to vilify George W. Bush and Tony Blair, thus lamenting the demise of Saddam Hussein.

I spent part of last week ringing up the organisers of the anti-war events with a couple of questions. The first: Would they allow anyone from the newly elected Iraqi parliament to address the gatherings? The second: Would the marches include expressions of support for the democracy movements in Arab and other Muslim countries, notably Iraq, Lebanon and Syria?

In both cases the answer was a categorical no, accompanied by a torrent of abuse about "all those who try to justify American aggression against Iraq".

But was it not possible to condemn "American aggression" and then express support for the democratic movement in Iraq and the rest of the Arab world? In most cases we were not even allowed to ask the question. In one or two cases we received mini-lectures on how democracy cannot be imposed by force. The answer to that, of course, is that in Iraq no one tried to impose democracy by force. In Iraq force was used to remove the enemies of democracy from power so as to allow its friends to come to the fore.

That remnants of the totalitarian Left and various brands of fascism should march to condemn the liberation of Iraq is no surprise. What is surprising is that some mainstream groups, such as the British Liberal-Democrat Party and even some former members of Tony Blair's Labour Government, should join these marches of shame.

The Lib-Dems at their spring conference last week found enough time to reiterate their shameful opposition to the liberation of Iraq at some length. But they had no time to take note of what looks like a historic turning point in favour of democracy in the Middle East. As for those Labour ministers who resigned from Blair's cabinet in protest against the toppling of Saddam Hussein, there is as yet no sign that they might express any support for freedom marches in various Arab capitals.

The situation is no better in continental Europe. Joschka Fischer, the German foreign minister, has yet to show the same degree of activism in support of the Arab democratic movement as he did in 2003, when he fought desperately to prevent the removal of Saddam Hussein from power. For his part, France's President Jacques Chirac, who in February 2003 proposed an emergency summit to save Saddam Hussein, and appeared almost daily on television opposing the liberation of Iraq, is yet to give the slightest hint that he might favour the demise of any more tyrannies in the region.

Why are so many Westerners, living in mature democracies, ready to march against the toppling of a despot in Iraq but unwilling to take to the streets in support of the democratic movement in the Middle East?

Is it because many of those who will be marching in support of Saddam Hussein this month are the remnants of totalitarian groups in the West plus a variety of misinformed idealists and others blinded by anti-Americanism? Or is it because they secretly believe that the Arabs do not deserve anything better than Saddam Hussein?

Those interested in the health of Western democracies would do well to ponder those questions.

Amir Taheri is an Iranian author of 10 books on the Middle East and Islam. He can be reached through www.benadorassociates.com.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,12544386,00.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 05:48 pm
The whole thesis is wrong; he assumes everybody against this war is a Saddam supporter. That's the biggest stretch I've read in during the past four/fifteen years.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2005 09:28 pm
Amir wants to sell more books ..... he wrote a piece in May 2003 that claimed the terrorist movement was waning and his basis was the decline of terrorist suicide bombings ...... not exactly spot on wouldn't you say?


Article here
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