THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

Do you ever wonder why you're so frequently the one that is misunderstood?

You have given me nothing to agree to. It's like talking to a four year old. If you don't know try this ..... I'm sorry, I don't know.

OK, I'm going to try once more, this is called 'fill in the blank' .... the fact/s that need to show proof of cause is/are [blank]
if you need more space take it. If I don't post back that means I am tired of spoon feeding you

"an excellent characterization of the irrational Left, the irrational Liberals, and the irrational Democrats. I call 'em the Irratio".

So I suppose your religiously inspired zionist crusader imperialist hegemonist president is rational?

So I suppose your religiously inspired zionist crusader imperialist hegemonist president is rational?

well you were wrong. I did have you in mind, as the classic example of someone who will swallow anything, however absurd, so long as your beloved leader tells you its true.
I continue to think you had you in mind, based on the following paragraph of yours regarding your belief that "politics is the very art of lying without getting found out." Often Irratios attribute to others their own attributes. In psychology it's called transference. Perhaps you can be helped by a competent counselor. Then again, perhaps not

seriously ican is there one sceptical brain cell in your head?
One or two! Give me a break, counting brain cells has never been easy for me and I haven't finished counting yet.

do you NEVER question anything told you by authority?
Once or twice! But alas, my wife is always right!

is it inconceivable to you that governments might find it convenient to lie about what they do if they can get away with it?
Oh, you're just pulling my leg, right? For example big governments that control the distribution of wealth never do that! Do they?

Politics is the very art of lying without getting found out.
Well I'll be doggone! All along I've been thinking "politics is the very art of [telling the truth and not getting] found out."

brush up on your neo con politics.
My neo-con politics Surely you jest!

Find out about Leo Strauss and his concept of the noble lie.
Neo-cons, are by their definition previous neo-leftists, neo-liberals, and/or neo-democrats, and appear to still think the same way about lying as they did previously. Unfortunately too many pusilanimous Republicans have been infected with the same thinking.

Let's get back to the allegation that Bush knew Saddam's regime did not possess ready-to-use WMD, when he alleged Saddam's regime did possess ready-to-use WMD. Until we invaded Iraq, too many people other than President Bush were hoodwinked by Saddam (and at that time) our CIA into thinking Saddam possessed ready-to-use WMD for me to think President Bush was competent enough to discern that Saddam was lying. Hell, even genius President Clinton was hoodwinked by Saddam, or said he was. Was Clinton lying? Say it isn't so! Is nothing sacred?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

Gel, I am flattered as well glad that you are attempting to address Bill on my behalf. I am not going to respond as he just sends me in a bad mood of which I don't need.

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that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

revel wrote:

Gel, I am flattered as well glad that you are attempting to address Bill on my behalf. I am not going to respond as he just sends me in a bad mood of which I don't need.

I was trying to get through to him that fox's beef was with the author of your post, not you, the messenger. If he wanted 'proof of cause' he should contact the US military and or the NYT.
He waned to play lawyer.

I posted a simular article before I saw yours


HERE

old europe wrote:

Have you read anything about Kerkar at all, ican?

Kerkar? Are you spelling it correctly? If yes, then I do not recollect reading anything about it.

How about posting some links so we can read up on Kerkar please OE? I couldn't get my search engine to come up with anything related to al Qaida or the Midldle East or Islam with that spelling.

old europe wrote:

It's well known that Saddam had WMD pre-91, RR...

Yes, so is this well known. Is it well known to you?

Charles Duelfer's Report alleged, 9/30/2004:
www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/Comp_Report_Key_Findings.pdf

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1. [Regime Strategic Intent, Key Findings] Saddam Husayn so dominated the Iraqi Regime that its strategic intent was his alone. He wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when sanctions were lifted.

2. [Regime Finance and Procurement, Key Findings] Throughout sanctions, Saddam continually directed his advisors to formulate and implement strategies, policies, and methods to terminate the UN's sanctions regime established by UNSCR 661. The Regime devised an effective diplomatic and economic strategy of generating revenue and procuring illicit goods utilizing the Iraqi intelligence, banking, industrial, and military apparatus that eroded United Nations' member states and other international players resolve to enforce compliance, while capitalizing politically on its humanitarian crisis.

The first point, made in paragraph 8 of the report, is that the Commission has not at any time during the inspections in Iraq found evidence of the continuation or resumption of programmes of weapons of mass destruction or significant quantities of proscribed items - whether from pre-1991 or later.