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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 07:33 am
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20050216/ts_nm/iraq_dc

Italian Hostage Begs for Help; Shi'ites to Name PM

45 minutes ago

By Luke Baker

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Insurgents released a tape on Wednesday showing an Italian journalist seized in Baghdad earlier this month pleading for her life and calling on foreign forces to withdraw.


The undated tape of 57-year-old Giuliana Sgrena, a reporter for Rome-based newspaper Il Manifesto, came as the winners of last month's election, a religious Shi'ite-led alliance, were expected to declare their choice for prime minister.


"I beg you, put an end to the occupation. I beg the Italian government and the Italian people to put pressure on the government to pull out," Sgrena says on the tape, speaking in Italian and holding her hands in front of her in supplication.


It is the first tape of Sgrena since she was snatched on Feb. 4.


The emergence of the tape underlines the dire security situation afflicting Iraq (news - web sites) even as the country tries to move forward with the process of forming a new government following its first post-Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) election held on Jan. 30.


The United Iraqi Alliance, a religion-based coalition which won 48 percent of the vote, was expected to name Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a former exile and head of the Dawa Party, as its candidate for prime minister later on Wednesday.


"So far it's not official, but the majority of the factions in the alliance will choose Jaafari," a source in the Dawa Party said. "It could be announced today."


Jaafari, a mild-mannered physician whose family lives in London, was expected to meet senior Kurdish figures later as part of the process of forming the government.


The Kurds came second in the poll, winning 25 percent of votes. If they form an alliance with the main Shi'ite bloc then together they would control two-thirds of the 275 seats in the National Assembly, enough to decide the top government posts.


Current interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, in an interview with Reuters, said he expected the next government to be Islamist, meaning it would have Islam at its root and seek to have Islam as one of the main sources of law.


"The United Iraqi Alliance are Islamists. Some are liberal, sure, but they tend to be more Islamist," Allawi, a secular Shi'ite who has developed close ties with Washington during his six months in power, told Reuters in an interview.


"The Iraqi people, 50 percent of the Iraqi people, decided that they want to see an Islamic government in Iraq and we must respect that," he said.


OIL ATTACKS


In an interview with Reuters last week, Jaafari indicated he would reach out to Iraq's minority Sunni Arab population if he were to take a senior position in the next government. Sunnis largely boycotted the vote or didn't turn up for fear of violence and will now be almost completely marginalized in the National Assembly. But all the major parties have indicated they want the Sunnis involved in shaping the political process.


Iraq's government is not expected to take office for several weeks, but already the top item on the agenda is security, with minds turning to when U.S. and other foreign forces might begin to withdraw after nearly two years in Iraq.


But with insurgents still carrying out daily car bombings and other attacks and kidnappings common, U.S. and other troops are expected to remain for many months if not years to come and have dismissed the idea of setting a timetable to withdraw.


The release of the tape of Sgrena appealing for her life underlined the security threat.


"I beg you to help me ... I beg my family to help me, and all those who stood with me to oppose the war and the occupation," she said, breaking down in tears as she kneeled in front of a white background.

"Everyone must withdraw from Iraq. No one should come to Iraq any longer because all foreigners, all Italians are considered enemies. Please do something for me," she says.

Sgrena is at least the eighth Italian to have been taken hostage in Iraq. Another journalist, Enzo Baldoni, was seized in August last year and later killed by his captors.

More than 120 foreigners have been kidnapped in Iraq over the past year and at least a third have been killed.

As well as kidnappings and car bomb attacks, insurgents have also carried out frequent sabotage strikes against Iraq's infrastructure as part of efforts to set back the country's reconstruction.

Iraq, which sits on the world's second largest oil reserves, is dependent on oil revenues to finance its rehabilitation. On Wednesday, saboteurs attacked a pipeline near the key refinery at Baiji, north of Baghdad.

Flows along Iraq's main northern export pipeline to Turkey were also interrupted, just days after they resumed following months out of commission due to sabotage.

(Additional reporting by Mariam Karouny, Waleed Ibrahim and Omar Anwar in Baghdad, Sabah al-Bazzee in Baiji and Crispian Balmer in Rome)
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 09:01 am
Iraqi Army Recruitment Drive Draws Thousands

Excerpt:

Quote:
By Sgt. Lorie Jewell, USA
Special to American Forces Press Service

A SOUTHERN IRAQ MILITARY FACILITY, Feb. 15, 2005 - Between 8,000 and 10,000 men arrived by foot, bus and other means by sun-up Feb. 14 at an airfield outside an Iraqi army base to join the Iraq's army, officials said.

An Iraqi soldier gives a recruit a literacy test as thousands of other recruits wait in formation. The test was part of the screening process for a Feb. 14 recruitment drive for the Iraqi army. Photo by Sgt. Lorie Jewell, USA
(Click photo for screen-resolution image); high-resolution image available.

Of that, about 5,000 made it through a screening process that led them onto the base, which is home to several thousand Iraqi soldiers and a contingent of U.S. servicemembers. Most will be transferred to other bases in Iraq to supplement existing units, officials said.


Soucre
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 11:47 am
That is encouraging news, I hope this means that soon they will be trained enough to be able to get the coalition out of Iraq.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 04:31 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
My characterization of what the Iraqi people want isn't contradicted, as you contend, by the Iraqi people themselves, ican. One thing is the Shia and Kurds turning out in droves to vote in elections that benefit them, another thing is their opinions about our occupation of their country. You are drawing links between the two that aren't necessarily so.
Ican and have determined your allegations are False! Those links are there, InfraBlue. The Iraqis voted because they want a democracy of their own design in Iraq. It their opinion (learned from polls) that the US must leave as soon as the Iraqis ask us to leave. They will ask us to leave when the democracy of their own design is perceived by the Iraqis to be adequately secured by the Iraqis themselves.

You left out the main jobs the US has to do in Iraq, ican:

1. Secure and prepare Iraq for our permanent military bases there.
Ican and have determined your allegation is False! Those bases you refer to are bases temporarily for our 100-thousand plus troops while they are in Iraq. Probably the Iraqis will make those bases permanent for their own troops.

2. Secure control of Iraqi oil interests for US oil companies.
Ican and have determined your allegation is False! Those Iraqi oil interests you refer to are owned by the Iraqi people. Probably the Iraqis will continue to sell their oil at market prices to whomever chooses to buy it at those prices.

By the way: You appear to me to be possessed by a desperate need to believe the worst of our current administration. You project that need repeatedly with every stupid accusation against the current administration you make.

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revel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 04:33 pm
ican, what polls would these be and who conducted them and who particapated in them?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 04:49 pm
revel wrote:
ican, what polls would these be and who conducted them and who particapated in them?
I don't remeber the who conducted those polls. I personally first learned the results of those polls from Fox News a few days after the Iraqi election. Fox News described these polls as exit polls. I don't know the actual Iraqi voters who were polled anymore than I know the actual US voters that were polled in US exit polls. In the US case, US voters were polled. In the Iraqi case, Iraqi voters were polled.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 05:16 pm
InfraBlue wrote:
It's interesting that you expect the governments of Afghanistan and Iraq to reduce the al Qaeda problem to a manageable level roughly equivalent to containing and then destroying any other organized crime organization. Ironically, the US has forgone that approach. Instead of reducing al Qaeda in Iraq it has increased it. "Al Qaeda" was confined to a manageable, organized-crime level in northern Iraq where our allies, the Kurds, were prepared to deal with them decisively. Through our ham-handed approach, we've spread al Qaeda throughout the country. Our approach guarantees the perpetuation of terrorism over lots and lots of time.

The argument that our presence in Iraq causes an increase in al Qaeda is confirmed by simply looking at the situation there, your illogical simile notwithstanding.

So, our ground invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq destroyed more al Qaeda bases (including so-called al Qaeda safe-houses) and exterminated more al Qaeda than did any of our air strikes in those countries. That still doesn't negate the fact that destroying bases, as you have pointed out about Clinton's air strikes, is irrelevant. The ground invasions have exterminated more al Qaeda than did any of our air strikes in those countries. The ground invasion in Iraq has also incited more people to join the al Qaeda cause.

What the steady growth in al Qaeda's terrorism shows is that al Qaeda are recruiting more and more people to take up the cause, that you'd like to see al Qaeda concentrated in one place is irrelevant to this fact. Your desire is a non-sequitur, ican. I'd like to see al Qaeda disappear off of the face of the earth. My desire is a non-sequitur. What I'd like to see is irrelevant to the fact described above.

Your opinions of my assertions are irrelevant, ican. We incite terrorism by ignoring the underlying grievances that incite people to perpetrate terrorism.

I wasn't referring to the "al Qaeda confederation" throughout the world when I said that the terrorists in Iraq are waging what they call a war against democracy because of what they perceive democracy to mean: a proxy government set up by the US, for the US at the expense of Iraqis. It is the probable evolution of that kind of "democracy" in Iraq (think, the Philippines) that incites the terrorism in Iraq, along with our occupation thereof which is but a means to that end, ican. Your argument is yet another non-sequitur. Our occupation in Iraq is inciting terrorism to be perpetrated towards local, nationalistic ends in Iraq.

Without a doubt, the Iraqis terrorizing Iraqi civilians are largely those who fear being dispossessed and disenfranchised by the kind of democracy described above are violently echoing the fears of that portion of Iraqi society that portends to devolve into a civil war, and the US is setting itself up to be right smack dab in the middle of it all.


Your speculations are duly noted. I know not on what your speculations are based.

My speculations, based on what our military is learning from captured subversives, are that the great bulk of the al Qaeda subversives currently in and coming into Iraq were and are part of the growing Worldwide al Qaeda confederation that existed before we invaded Iraq. Very few are new recruits subsequent to the Iraq invasion. However, by far the largest percentage of subversives are former Iraqi Baathists and their Syrian and Iranian cohorts.

Bullies cannot be stopped from bullying by our fear of attracting more bullies to the murder zone the bullies have created. The more bullies we stop, the fewer bullies we will have to stop and the fewer murders the bullies will perpetrate.

We already know the underlying reason for the bullies murdering. They already told us explicitly what their underlying reason is. They want us dead because they believe they have an Allah given right to murder that people who will not yield to them the power to rule that people. We can eliminate their underlying reason two ways:

#1 We kill them before they murder us.
#2 They murder us before we kill them.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 06:30 pm
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&e=3&u=/nm/20050216/us_nm/security_usa_dc_9

Iraq Conflict Feeds International Terror Threat -CIA

1 hour, 25 minutes ago

By David Morgan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Islamic militants waging a deadly insurgency against U.S.-led forces in Iraq (news - web sites) pose an emerging international terrorism threat, CIA (news - web sites) Director Porter Goss said on Wednesday.


In his first public appearance as U.S. spymaster, Goss described Iraqi insurgents, including al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, as part of a Sunni militant movement inspired by Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) and intent on attacking Americans.


"The Iraq conflict, while not a cause of extremism, has become a cause for extremists," Goss told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.


"Those jihadists who survive will leave Iraq experienced in and focused on acts of urban terrorism. They represent a potential pool of contacts to build transnational terrorist cells, groups and networks in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other countries," he said.


President Bush (news - web sites), who portrays U.S.-led actions in Iraq as the leading edge of democratic reform in the Middle East, cited Iraqi backing for international terrorism as a reason for the 2003 invasion.


But a top level U.S. inquiry found last year that there had in fact been no collaboration between al Qaeda and Iraq under President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).


Bush critics say the invasion was a distraction from the global war against terrorism declared after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks by al Qaeda on the United States and has stirred up a violent response in Iraq that inflamed further terrorism.


"These sentences indicate Goss is very much listening to what his analysts are saying, and not necessarily to what the White House wants to hear," said Kenneth Katzman, terrorism analyst for the Congressional Research Service.


"Zarqawi has sought to bring about the final victory of Islam over the West, and he hopes to establish a safe haven in Iraq from which his group could operate against 'infidel' Western nations and 'apostate' Muslim governments," Goss said.


Presenting the CIA's annual "threat assessment," Goss also said insurgents achieved some of their goals in the Jan. 30 Iraqi elections by keeping Sunni Arab voter turnout low.


HUGE SPYING LAPSES


A long-time intelligence officer and former chairman of the House of Representatives intelligence committee, Goss took over the CIA last year with a mandate to reform the premier U.S. spy agency after huge lapses in the run-up to the Sept. 11 attacks and the 2003 Iraq invasion.


His predecessor, George Tenet, resigned amid widespread criticism over flawed intelligence about the threat from Iraq that critics say was exaggerated to meet a political agenda.


Goss told the lawmakers that U.S. authorities and their allies had dealt "serious blows" to the al Qaeda network.


"Despite these successes, however, the terrorist threat to the U.S. in the homeland and abroad endures," he said in an assessment that differed little from last year's report.


Goss was one of several top officials to appear before the Senate committee, which is scrutinizing U.S. intelligence on Iran, North Korea (news - web sites) and other hot spots in hopes of avoiding mistakes committed before the war on Iraq.


FBI (news - web sites) Director Robert Mueller testified al Qaeda remained intent on attacking the United States, likely by using low-tech methods of the kind employed in 2001 when terrorists killed about 3,000 people after hijacking airliners with box-cutters.


Goss said al Qaeda or another group would likely try to eclipse the Sept. 11 attacks by using nuclear, chemical or biological weapons that authorities say could be stolen or purchased from nations such as North Korea.

Officials also warned that North Korea, which declared last week that it had nuclear arms, could soon be ready to test a new long-range nuclear-capable missile which could hit targets across North America.

Private analysts doubt North Korea could pose a direct threat to the U.S. mainland any time soon.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 07:34 pm
UN inspectors 'spent their days drinking'

UN inspectors in Iraq spent their working hours drinking vodka while ignoring a shadowy nocturnal fleet believed to be smuggling goods for Saddam Hussein, a former senior inspector told the US Senate yesterday.

In a move that provoked fury from officials of the Swiss firm Cotecna, an Australian former inspector detailed a picture of incompetence, indifference and drunkeness among the men acting as the frontline for UN sanctions.

Arthur Ventham, a former Australian army officer and customs officer, joined the operation in 2002 and worked at various sites in Iraq and neighbouring states.

He said that at Iskendurun in eastern Turkey, some officials had refused to work.

When he asked one of his bosses why, he was told: "They were friends or relatives of potential clients, and are only in the mission so the company could secure future contracts in Nigeria, Comoros and another African country.

"When I said that this was unfair on everyone else, I was told that it was general practice in Cotecna."Other inspectors had spent most of the day in hotel rooms while others drank beer and talked to the local people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/16/woil116.xml

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This is news?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 07:43 pm
JustWonders wrote:
UN inspectors... ignoring a shadowy nocturnal fleet believed to be smuggling goods for Saddam Hussein... acting as the frontline for UN sanctions... They were friends or relatives of potential clients...


This is news?
Shocked You mean the UN is corrupt?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 07:45 pm
Were they buying booze with Oil For Food money?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 08:08 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
JustWonders wrote:
UN inspectors... ignoring a shadowy nocturnal fleet believed to be smuggling goods for Saddam Hussein... acting as the frontline for UN sanctions... They were friends or relatives of potential clients...


This is news?
Shocked You mean the UN is corrupt?


O'Bill....what's about to explode re the "UN" is most likely going to drive a LOT of people to drink LOL.
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Kara
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 08:38 pm
Quote:
rofl


Dys, ROTFLMAO
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 08:58 pm
How did anyone learn of the "shadowy fleet believed to be smuggling goods for Saddam Hussein?" Where can sources be found to read up on it?

How is this information pertinent to the issues of Iraq today or why we are there?

What do those who are accused of drinking on the job say in their defense?

[It will be helpful if the answers can be given sans derogatory remarks.]
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 16 Feb, 2005 11:41 pm
Syria and Iran to present a common front to U.S. aggression .....
He always said he was a uniter not a divider.
Idea Idea
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2005 12:48 am
Cute, Gel Smile



Some UN staff drink beer

Some Americans kill civilians

Let's attack the UN



UN deals promptly with corrupt officials identified in Volcker Report

US does nothing about missing £8 billion of Iraq money

Lets attack the UN
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2005 01:16 am
McTag wrote:
Cute, Gel Smile



Some UN staff drink beer

Some Americans kill civilians

Let's attack the UN



UN deals promptly with corrupt officials identified in Volcker Report

US does nothing about missing £8 billion of Iraq money

Lets attack the UN


U.S. officials knew of problems in the U.N. oil-for-food program but were concerned that international support for Iraqi sanctions could crumble if they insisted on stricter rules.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2005 07:09 am
Corruption notes from all over...

It looks like Sharon is not going to be indicted on soliciting/accepting/hiding foreign monies to be used for Likud (illegal in Israel) thus off the hook on his second close call, but his son will be indicted.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2005 07:46 am
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050217/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq


Quote:
Shiites Win Majority of New Iraq Assembly

10 minutes ago Middle East - AP


By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq (news - web sites)'s electoral commission Thursday certified the results of the country's Jan. 30 elections and allocated 140 National Assembly seats to the United Iraqi Alliance, giving the Shiite-dominated party a majority in the new parliament.


The allocation of seats sets the stage for the first meeting of the National Assembly, which will last for 10 months and draft a new constitution. The first order of business will be to elect a president and two vice presidents to largely ceremonial positions.


The commission had announced final unofficial results Sunday, which gave the clergy-backed alliance 48 percent of the vote. The Kurdish alliance received 26 percent and Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, a secular Shiite who supported strong ties to Washington, won 14 percent.


But a redistribution of the votes from the 99 parties that did not win enough support to get parliament seats gave the alliance control of more than half of the assembly's 275 seats.


I think they are going to announce the PM today. I thought it was going to be announced yesterday but there appears to be some wrangling between Chalabi and al-Jaafari who is more popular but more religiously conservative.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=10&u=/ap/20050216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/chalabi_profile
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 17 Feb, 2005 09:28 am
revel wrote:
I think they are going to announce the PM today.


Doesn't seem so: ""Next week will be decisive and the meeting will be held on Monday or Tuesday," said Mr Mohammed."

Quote:
Iraq's Shiites win slim majority
From correspondents in Baghdad
18-02-2005
From: Reuters
IRAQ'S Shiite alliance won a slim majority of seats in the country's new National Assembly, the Iraqi Electoral Commission said today, based on final results from last month's election.

The Commission said the United Iraqi Alliance, a coalition of mainly Shiite Islamist religious parties, had been allocated 140 seats in the 275-seat National Assembly.
The Kurds, who polled the second highest number of votes in the January 30 ballot, won 75 seats and the bloc led by interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi got 40 seats, the Electoral Commission said.

However, a meeting of candidates on the conservative Shiite list that won last month's Iraqi elections today failed to reach agreement on who should be their candidate for prime minister.

"The meeting was spent looking at possible candidates for the prime minister's job as well as candidates for ministerial portfolios," said Nuri Kamel Mohammed, a political adviser to Dawa, one of the two main parties on the winning list.

"Nominations have been left to another meeting," he said following talks at the offices of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the other main party on the list backed by Shiite spiritual leader Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

Other officials from the United Iraqi Alliance (UIA) list present at the talks said that two candidates were in the running for the premiership nomination: current vice president and Dawa leader Ibrahim al-Jaafari and Ahmed Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress.

Several sources said earlier this week that Jaafari had secured the nomination, but an aide to Mr Chalabi insisted today that the one-time Pentagon favourite was still in the running.

UIA candidates, who won 140 seats in the 275-seat National Assembly according to final official results announced today, will cast ballots to decide on who should be their candidate, said Mr Mohammed.

"Next week will be decisive and the meeting will be held on Monday or Tuesday," said Mr Mohammed.

Source
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