THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

What do you mean, why?

Shouldn't your vaunted What Am explain that to you?

Cycloptichorn

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January 29th:
Attention Y’all!
There are now 14 million registered Iraqi voters.
Outstanding!
The total number of Iraqis voting will be
Corection! 13,131,313 or more.
That’s more than 93%!
Astonishing!
After they vote, there will be [/b]
Corection! 13,131,313 or more
Iraqi Patrick Henrys.

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Patrick Henry: "It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry peace, peace!—but there is no peace. The war is actually begun. The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms. Our brethen are already in the field. Why stay we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me: give me liberty, or give me death!"

13,131,313
You can count on it!

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

What do you mean, why? Shouldn't your vaunted What Am explain that to you? Cycloptichorn

What Am asked me to ask Why. Confused

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Take off your pretend dunce cap.

You know very well that we have no intention of leaving the area we've worked so hard to stabilize. I'm not even trying to lay blame to the admin, or anyone; it just doesn't make sense that we would abandon our 'permanent' military bases rather than follow the Germany-Japan model.

Cycloptichorn

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InfraBlue wrote:

Repeating your fallacious arguments doesn't make them any less so, ican.

Repeating your fallacious claims that my arguments are fallacious doesn't make your fallacious claims any less fallacious.

FACTS:
1. AL Qaeda declared war on Americans.
2. Al Qaeda declared that American civilians and military must be killed wherever they can be found.
3. Al Qaeda murdered American civilians.
4. Al Qaeda murderers were trained in al Qaeda camps.
5. Al Qaeda were encamped in Afghanistan and in Iraq prior to the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
6. US air attacks on Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan did not any remove al Qaeda camps from Afghanistan.
7. US ground attacks in Afghanistan did remove al Qaeda camps from Afghanistan.
8. Kurds defeated al Qaeda in northern Iraq by 1999.
9. Al Qaeda reformed in northern Iraq by 2001.
10. The US requested that Saddam Hussein's regime extradite the leadership of the al Qaeda encamped in northern Iraq.
11. Saddam Hussein’s regime did not attempt to extradite the leadership of the al Qaeda encamped in northern Iraq.
12. Saddam Hussein’s regime did not attempt to remove al Qaeda camps from northern Iraq.
13. The US invaded Iraq on the ground and in the air in 2003.
14. The US removed al Qaeda camps in northern Iraq.

ARGUMENT
The US's discovery and destruction of the al Qaeda encampment in northern Iraq is evidence that at the time of the US's invasion of Iraq 3/20/2003, the al Qaeda were encamped in northern Iraq;
That in turn, plus the fact that Saddam Hussein NEVER claimed that the taQeinI (i.e., the al Qaeda encamped in northern Iraq) were NOT so encamped, plus the fact that Saddam NEVER claimed he tried to remove taQeinI, are evidence that Saddam did NOT attempt to remove taQeinI;
That in turn is evidence that Saddam tolerated taQeinI;
That in turn is evidence that Saddam harbored taQeinI;
That in turn, plus the fact that the Kurds were NOT able to prevent the taQeinI from reforming by 2001 after the Kurds had defeated taQeinI by 1999, are evidence that a US invasion of Iraq was required to remove taQeinI;
That in turn, plus the fact that air attacks in Afghanistan were insufficient for removing al Qaeda camps from Afghanistan, plus the fact that a US ground and air invasion was required to remove al Qaeda from Afghanistan, is evidence that the US had to invade Iraq on the ground and in the air in order to remove taQeinI from Iraq.

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So he repeats them again.

How tiresome you've become!

Cycloptichorn

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Ican, a power cut in your neighbourhood would improve this thread a lot.

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Somebody wrote today:

The election in Iraq? Well, it's like if a band of robbers broke into your house, then held a ballot to decide which one of your family should fill out the insurance papers....

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Take off your pretend dunce cap.
You know very well that we have no intention of leaving the area we've worked so hard to stabilize. I'm not even trying to lay blame to the admin, or anyone; it just doesn't make sense that we would abandon our 'permanent' military bases rather than follow the Germany-Japan model. Cycloptichorn

It is possible you are correct in claiming: "we have no intention of leaving the area we've worked so hard to stabilize." It is possible we have every intention of leaving as soon as the Iraqi Assembly asks us to leave. I bet it is probable we will leave as soon as the Iraqi Assembly asks us to leave.

While I cannot claim to know the intentions of others, it was my intention to unequivocally agree with Revel by making the response to Revel that I made, because I want us to leave as soon as the Iraqi Assembly asks us to leave.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

So he repeats them again. How tiresome you've become! Cycloptichorn

So have you! But that's your shtick so stick with it.

www.m-w.com

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Main Entry: shtick
Variant(s): also shtik /'shtik/
Function: noun
Etymology: Yiddish shtik pranks, literally, piece, from Middle High German stücke, from Old High German stucki; akin to Old English stycce piece, Old High German stoc stick -- more at STOCK
1 : a show-business routine, gimmick, or gag : BIT
2 : one's special trait, interest, or activity : BAG <he's alive and well and now doing his shtick out in Hollywood -- Robert Daley>

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McTag wrote:

Ican, a power cut in your neighbourhood would improve this thread a lot.

I have a backup motor-generator. Try your neighborhood! Crying or Very sad

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McTag wrote:

Somebody wrote today: The election in Iraq? Well, it's like if a band of robbers broke into your house, then held a ballot to decide which one of your family should fill out the insurance papers....

Someone else writes today that the Iraqi election is like a revolution in which one side votes to liberate and the other side shoots to incarcerate.

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George W. Bush wrote:

We are led, by events and common sense, to one conclusion: The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.

What do you think would have happened had we not invaded Afghanistan? Why do you think so?

What do you think would have happened had we not invaded Iraq? Why do you think so?

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Well, the hour is getting closer. Like others have said, I am hopeful that the elections go off without a lot more blood shed than already is being shed and I hope that everyone gets out of it what they hope to get out of it and if they don't, I hope other means other than violent means are used to settle it.

I also hope that someday that Iraqi's will go to work and school without fear and have running water and electricity in their homes, even in the neglected villages.

I don't think anyone wants Iraq to be an eternal breeding ground for terrorist and violence (even though there are those who say it is better there than here. )

However, there is nothing that will take away the stain of how we got there and the total screw-up job that we did after toppling saddam hussien and his regime, nor will it take away the stain of how we allowed our objectives to overrun our honor in trying to stretch torture laws in regards to the war and detainees that led to the atmosphere in which abuse was allowed to flourish.

There is also the matter of how the whole iraq war came into creation with the "Plan for the new american century" folks that just further complicates everything.

I suppose now all that is basically left for us here in this forum to say is to wait a few weeks or months after the election to see how it all went over after all the analyzing is done and then analyze it here. Unless of course there is really is something horrible about to happen on the day of the election in Iraq.

The next big issue I guess will be the drafting of the constitution. I just wonder how the US is going to like a shiite (?spell) islamic constitution? The Sunni's have said that they want a say so in that even though they are not going to participate in the elections. I wonder how the shiite will enjoy sharing power with other groups? Does the US get to have any say so in any way in any of that? Or will they just influence under the table?

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Main Entry: dis·in·gen·u·ous
Pronunciation: "di-s&n-'jen-y&-w&s
Function: adjective
: lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness : CALCULATING
- dis·in·gen·u·ous·ly adverb
- dis·in·gen·u·ous·ness noun

ican, quod erat demonstrandum

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Kara wrote:

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Main Entry: dis·in·gen·u·ous
Pronunciation: "di-s&n-'jen-y&-w&s
Function: adjective
: lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness : CALCULATING
- dis·in·gen·u·ous·ly adverb
- dis·in·gen·u·ous·ness noun

ican, quod erat demonstrandum

Kara, didn't know you were into that Cool

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There are millions of Iraqi Patrick Henrys.[/b]

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Patrick Henry: "It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter.[/b] Gentlemen may cry peace, peace!—but there is no peace.[/b] The war is actually begun.[/b] The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms. [/b] Our brethen are already in the field.[/b] Why stay we here idle?[/b] What is it that gentlemen wish?[/b] What would they have?[/b] Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?[/b] Forbid it, Almighty God.[/b] I know not what course others may take, but as for me: give me liberty, or give me death!" [/b] [/size]

13,131,313
You can count on it!

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Gelisgesti wrote:

Kara wrote:
Quote:
Quote:
Main Entry: dis·in·gen·u·ous
Pronunciation: "di-s&n-'jen-y&-w&s
Function: adjective
: lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness : CALCULATING
- dis·in·gen·u·ous·ly adverb
- dis·in·gen·u·ous·ness noun

ican, quod erat demonstrandum

Kara, didn't know you were into that

Clearly Kara is not into that. She apparently doesn't understand that one must show why one thinks the definition applies to an action--in this particular case, to my action.

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Did it hurt very much when they removed your sense of humor?

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I think the woman who lost her son in Iraq said it best; why are we sacrificing our men and women in Iraq for an unknown future for both the Iraqis and Americans? How many more countries are we going to force democracy down the throats of middle eastern countries, and at what cost to Americans? How much sacrifice must we continue to make for other countries? It's too bad Bush and his minions have not sacrificed anything except talk.

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