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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 10:25 am
McGentrix wrote:
Geligesti, What does that have to do with Raed being full of shite?

I have never condoned the actions that took place in Abu Ghraib. I feel that those actions have put the lives of our service people at a higher than neccessary risk and has done nothing but add fuel to an already burning fire.

On the other hand, I still cannot fathom how otherwise normal seeming people can sympathize with terrorists.


Just taking a page from your book. You assume on an unknown basis that a person is full of shite .... I assume, on an unknown basis that you are anti-Iraqi, plain and simple. Or do you have personal knowlede that you have not shared?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 10:34 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
If that exchange were all we had to go on, Dys, I'd have to agree. Since you are quite bright; you might want to read it again. Idea

Logiic Bill ... saying he has never condoned torture is not the same as saying he has 'condemned' it.
Think!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 10:34 am
How could you possible conclude that McG is anti-Iraqi? I've read, re-read, and re-read again to make sure I was reading what was said, and I don't get any clue that he is anti-Iraqi.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 10:36 am
I made my decision based on reading Raed's blog and "Where's Raed", Salam Pax's blog. Using that information and everything else I have read and heard and watched, I came to the comclusion that Raed is full of Shite.

Much like you might choose to decide someone like Anne Coulter is also full of it (An opinion I would share). You make that decision based on your experience.

You have based your decision about my being "anti Iraqi" on what you have read from me. You do not know me, and you obviously haven't read all my posts, because if you had, you would learn that I am very much pro-Iraqi, that is if you are an Iraqi that wants freedom, liberty and peace. Otherwise, I am anti Moslim extremist and anti-anti American.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 10:43 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
If that exchange were all we had to go on, Dys, I'd have to agree. Since you are quite bright; you might want to read it again. Idea

Logiic Bill ... saying he has never condoned torture is not the same as saying he has 'condemned' it.
Think!
Logic Gel? Laughing You've just demonstrated why your post constituted a fallacious argument and his agreement was specious as well. Laughing Think! Laughing
You're too much sometimes, Gel. Thanks for the laugh!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 10:45 am
It could just as easily be said that those who casually dismiss all the posts quoting pro-American Iraqis and support for the effort to install democracy in Iraq and those looking forward to being able to vote voluntarily for the first time in their lives as being anti-Iraqi. Wouldn't it? That would be just as absurd.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 11:03 am
Foxfyre wrote:
How could you possible conclude that McG is anti-Iraqi? I've read, re-read, and re-read again to make sure I was reading what was said, and I don't get any clue that he is anti-Iraqi.


McG
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I have never condoned the actions that took place in Abu Ghraib. I feel that those actions have put the lives of our service people at a higher than neccessary risk and has done nothing but add fuel to an already burning fire.
Take another look at the fridge pic and tell us whose life would appear to be more at risk. Not a word of condemnation, what would that lead one to think?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 11:11 am
So you judge a person because he doesn't use the word that you would use to say the same thing?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 11:26 am
McG:
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I made my decision based on reading Raed's blog and "Where's Raed", Salam Pax's blog. Using that information and everything else I have read and heard and watched, I came to the comclusion that Raed is full of Shite.

Much like you might choose to decide someone like Anne Coulter is also full of it (An opinion I would share). You make that decision based on your experience.

You have based your decision about my being "anti Iraqi" on what you have read from me. You do not know me, and you obviously haven't read all my posts, because if you had, you would learn that I am very much pro-Iraqi, that is if you are an Iraqi that wants freedom, liberty and peace. Otherwise, I am anti Moslim extremist and anti-anti American.


You need to do better than just saying someone is 'full of shite.' Display how he is full of shite or in what way he is full of shite or admit that your opinion is an uninformed one.

I've been reading Salam Pax and Raed since before the Iraq war started, and they've always held the view that Saddam was evil and needed to go; they just never made Americans out to be saints, and rightly so, because we're not.

I don't think that you are anti-Iraqi at all, McG; just that you discount the opinion of those who disagree with what we are doing in Iraq. That's fine with me, but it leaves you with little credibility when it comes to judging who and who isn't 'full of shite.'

Earlier you claimed Raed was, what was it? Oh yeah, 'He's a propagandist of the finest sort leading liberals down the trail of tears.' Tell me, who is he doing propaganda for? He doesn't work for any government (unlike many of our conservative pundits these days) and he doesn't get paid for anything he does. How does that equal propaganda?

Oh, right, he disagrees with you. MUST be propaganda designed to weaken our morale. Right.

Cycloptichorn
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 11:38 am
Foxfyre wrote:
So you judge a person because he doesn't use the word that you would use to say the same thing?

In understanding what a person says or does not say the use of words is of prime consideration.
What do you use?
For consideration, McG says he is anti Muslim extremist .... I have a feeling that he would be hard pressed to pick one out of a crowd much less define in Muslim terms , which end of the spectrum right or left, he most opposes. Off the top of my head I can't think of any Iraqis that are not muslims ... without his definition I am left with the deduction that he is anti-Iraqi since that is the scope of his discussion.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 11:39 am
Cyc., Who does he write he blog for? Himself? The propaganda he spreads is for the use of his readers of course. It's for people like Geli to read and say "See! This is what's really happening!" when in fact it's not.

If you cannot see that, there is nothing else for me to say.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 11:46 am
How can you say the things he write about aren't happening? You don't f*cking know that's true at all, are you IN Iraq? No. You just don't want to believe anything that's different from what you currently believe. Not surprising, really.

What you have described /= propaganda, which is gov't-sponsored news. 'Having an opinion' is what you meant to say.

Unless you can come up with actual arguments as to why he's full of shite, other than the fact that you disagree with the things he's said, then you are not qualified to make that decision.

Sure, you can believe he's full of shite all you want to; just don't go around talking about it as if you know what the hell you are talking about unless you can prove it. Confuses the newbies.

Cycloptichorn
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 11:49 am
samokin Smile
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 12:06 pm
Gelisgesti, can I construe that because you criticise McG for being anti-Muslim-estrimist that you are pro-Muslim extremist?
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 12:09 pm
This is tiresome in the extreme. I think that there is enough evidence before our very eyes with the news reports that everything in Iraq is a mess by anyone's standards. All that is left to argue about among reasonable people is what to do about it. For everything that they try to do it gets destroyed by violence so that takes away any successes.

I would say we pull out after the elections if the Iraqi's that are elected ask us to; otherwise stay and clean up the mess that we created if they ask us to do that.

But that is giving a lot of faith in the legitimacy of the election that I just don't have. I mean we even have our troops going around influencing the elections by giving out flyers and things. At first they tried to deny it but they got found about it and had to back peddle and spin as usual.

That is what makes this whole thing so hard to know; we can't trust our leaders and the Pentegon people in the military to tell us the truth. So how will ever know the truth about how the Iraqi's feel? If some Iraqis say one thing they could be influenced by our administration if another iraqi says anything they could influenced by the insurgency. There is no way to know. The whole thing is horrible but people just keep nattering on about how good it is that they get to vote freely for the first time in a long time as though that just wipes away the absolute failure of the whole Iraq reconstruction and the lying about going there in the first place.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 12:11 pm
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FastEddie, I wonder if Raed actually believes in the use of Chem by Americans. If you've followed he and his brothers posts for some time, you really began to see a pattern with these two. Either they are putting up an incredibly believable front of ignorance, or, they actually believe the stuff they throw out there. Or perhaps they are just very adept propogandists for the Sunni Baathists.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 12:16 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Sure, you can believe he's full of shite all you want to; just don't go around talking about it as if you know what the hell you are talking about unless you can prove it. Confuses the newbies.
Attention newbies. If you want to look like a hypocritical, idiotic, hyper partisan fool, follow this example of making up rules for others.

According to your rules, Cyclops, you and Saed now have the obligation to provide PROOF that Chemical Weapons were used in Fallujah... or the shut the hell up. Sure won't miss hearing all that idiotic crap you can't PROVE. Laughing
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 12:17 pm
Revel, the very news media that convinces you that Iraq is in a mess has reported again and again the feelings of the Iraqi peope - many posted here on this thread. There are millions of Iraqis who want a chance to be in control of their own destiny. They outnumber the likes of Raed by millions. How about a little optimism for a change?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 12:21 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Gelisgesti, can I construe that because you criticise McG for being anti-Muslim-estrimist that you are pro-Muslim extremist?


If that is what gets you through but in actuality I am pro humanity ... anti war.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2005 12:26 pm
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1149337#1149337

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