0
   

THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 12:00 am
Laughing Great page starter, JW!
0 Replies
 
Gelisgesti
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 06:01 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Laughing Great page starter, JW!


Howzat?
0 Replies
 
Gelisgesti
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 06:24 am
JustWonders wrote:
Laughing Laughing Laughing

My favorite phrase these days............

BUSHWHACKER CAN'TS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's one for you..............

Marine Cpl. Isaac D. Pacheco of Northern Kentucky enlisted in the Marines on September 12, 2001, and has been serving in Iraq at the Combined Press Information Center. Recently he wrote this for his local newspaper:

"Something struck me as odd this fall as I watched a U.S. satellite news broadcast here in my Baghdad office. Something just didn't seem right. There was the usual tug-of-war between presidential candidates, a story about the Boston Red Sox and a blurb about another explosion in Iraq. The latter story showed the expected images of smoke and debris and people frantically running for cover - images that have become the accepted norm in the minds of many Americans thanks, or should I say no thanks, to the media.

"There were no smiling soldiers, no mention of rebuilding efforts, no heartwarming stories about honor and sacrifice. I could swear I've seen that 'stuff' here.

"I've become somewhat callused to this kind of seesaw reporting because every day I work with the news agencies that manufacture it. However, many service members shake their heads in frustration each time they see their daily rebuilding efforts ignored by the media in favor of the more 'sensational' car bomb and rocket attack stories. Not to say that tragedies don't happen - Iraq is a war zone - but there is so much more happening that gets overlooked if not ignored."

Throughout Iraq the election campaign enters its penultimate week:

Leaders of Iraq's Sunni Arab minority and other skeptics say it is so dangerous in large parts of the country that it will be all but impossible to hold nationwide elections Jan. 30. Even President Bush recently conceded just 14 of Iraq's 18 provinces are ready for elections.

But on the busy second and third floors of a building inside this city's heavily fortified Green Zone, dozens of United Nations officials, Iraqi poll workers and monitoring groups--some strolling in and out wearing flak jackets and blue helmets--are hard at work to ensure the elections go on as scheduled.

Iraqi women, who due to past bloodshed constitute a clear majority of the population, are looking forward to building a better future through the democratic process. According to the latest poll conducted by Women for Women International in Baghdad, Mosul and Basra, "94% of women surveyed want to secure legal rights for women; 84% of women want the right to vote on the final constitution; [and] nearly 80% of women believe that their participation in local and national councils should not be limited." As the report notes, "the most unexpected result of the survey is that despite increasing violence, particularly violence against women, 90.6% of Iraqi women reported that they are hopeful about their future."
Other sections of Iraqi society are also excited about the coming election. On the streets of Baghdad, democracy makes more converts:

Just months ago, Fattahlah Ghazi al-Esmaili was penning articles in support of Iraq's Shi'ite uprising as editor for Ishriqat, a newspaper for rebel cleric Sheik Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi's Army militia.
Now the 38-year-old has abandoned his Arab head scarf for a neat beige suit and is out pumping the flesh in his run for parliament at the head of a 180-candidate list representing the impoverished Shi'ites of Sadr City.

"Before, we were men of the Mahdi's Army. Now we are men of politics," says the journalist, who goes by the pen name Fattah al-Sheikh. "Yesterday, we were out on the streets. Today, we are here campaigning, and hopefully tomorrow, we'll be in the presidential palace."

Brig. Gen. Jeffery Hammond of the 1st Cavalry Division, says Sadr City is the safest place in or around Baghdad. About 18,000 people have reconstruction jobs, he says, earning about $6 a day. "Sadr City is what the future of Iraq can look like," he says. Those who were once taking up arms are now talking democracy. 'Before, the men were buying black cloth for their (martyrs') banners. Now for the election, we are buying white cloths' for posters, says candidate Fatah al-Sheikh.

SOURCE

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SPIN THAT YOU NATTERING NABOBS OF NEGATIVITY!
(You know who you are)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You post it then insist that it be spun? S'up with that?
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 06:26 am
Gosh...a letter-to-the-editor from a GI making the most of a miserable situation...

...and a few heart warming statistics...

...and we are supposed to be in awe!


That is presented as something that cannot be spun!"




C'mon, JW...I know you can think better than that!

The Marine was doing as much, if not more, spinning than the media he complained about....

...and putting out statistics that show some good accruing is expected. Hell...even an NFL coach whose team gets trounced will find one or two things that went well.


Look...there is nothing wrong with you folks wanting to think things are going "fantastic" or "great" or "okay" or "as expected" or whatever else you want to think.


To me...it looks like a catastrophe in the making.


We'll see.


But to suggest that a letter from a GI trying to put the best possible face on his situation...

...and a few statistics that show some good is coming from this incredibly ill-conceived, justified-through-lies, and mismanaged misadventure...

...is somehow definitive...

...is silly.
0 Replies
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 07:18 am
What's silly, Frank, is you suggesting a string unsubstantiated Sez me's from your armchair override a single word that kid had to say.
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 07:20 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
What's silly, Frank, is you suggesting a string unsubstantiated Sez me's from your armchair override a single word that kid had to say.


I'd respond, Bill, but your sentence is so garbled...it really doesn't make sense.

Of course...even if you were to correct the wording...

....ahhh...

...never mind about that part.

What was it you almost said???
0 Replies
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 07:27 am
Laughing What's silly, Frank; is you suggesting a string of unsubstantiated "Sez me"s, from your armchair; override a single word that kid had to say.
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 07:30 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Laughing What's silly, Frank; is you suggesting a string of unsubstantiated "Sez me"s, from your armchair; override a single word that kid had to say.


Yep...you added a word and a semi-colon...and it still doesn't make much sense.

You're not drinking already this morning, are ya, Billy?
0 Replies
 
revel
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 07:30 am
Maybe one reason that the stories of successes get ignored is because for every success there are two or more failures that are reported with actual Iraqi's as the sources for those stories.

Maybe the reason why Ican's repetitive posts of who is registered to vote is not relevant because half the people either can't vote because their provinces are not going to be open to vote in or they are too scared to vote or they plain don't want to vote thereby giving sanctioning to the occupying forces.

But it won't matter how it turns out or where these votes are going to come from or how, it is going to be called a success and the usual suspects are going to defend it and the usual suspects are going to be debating it.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 10:46 am
Frank said it well. You can have individual successes and still be losing the game.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1425022,00.html

Quote:
January 04, 2005

Iraqi insurgents now outnumber coalition forces
By James Hider
The head of intelligence services in Baghdad says that there are more than 200,000 fighters



IRAQ'S rapidly swelling insurgency numbers 200,000 fighters and active supporters and outnumbers the United States-led coalition forces, the head of the country's intelligence service said yesterday.
The number is far higher than the US military has so far admitted and paints a much grimmer picture of the challenge facing the Iraqi authorities and their British and American backers as elections loom in four weeks.


There were something like 30k a few months ago. That doesn't seem like we are making progress to me.

Of course, we'll hear the "It'll get worse until it gets better" bullshit. Right up until the end, when it becomes clear that without a strategic shift in policy, things aren't going to get better.

The problem with you War Hawks, to continue the analogy, is that you think individual performances by talented players make up for a lack of competent leadership. It doesn't. So while the success stories of individuals are heartening, the overall picture is no better for it.

How can you have confidence that people who have bungled things up so incredibly badly are going to get it right now?

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
JustWonders
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:02 am
Attention bushwhacker can'ts!
There are now 14 million registered Iraqi voters.
Outstanding!
The total number of Iraqis voting will be more than

Corection! 12,763,441
Astonishing!
After they vote, there will be more than
[/b]
Corection! 12,763,441
Iraqi Patrick Henrys.
Quote:
give me liberty, or give me death!"

You can count on it![/quote]
0 Replies
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:07 am
Laughing
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:23 am
Useless repetition only clogs the forums, Ican, JW. I'm formally requesting you to stop posting the same thing over and over again.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
McGentrix
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:29 am
I don't think it's the same thing. The numbers seem to keep going up for some reason...
0 Replies
 
ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:37 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Useless repetition only clogs the forums, Ican, JW. I'm formally requesting you to stop posting the same thing over and over again. Cycloptichorn

If you would chance to carefully observe, you would see that no two of my posts are exactly alike. I think the same is equally true for JW.

Attention bushwhacker can’ts and all you other “nattering nabobs of negativity”!
There are now 14 million registered Iraqi voters.
Outstanding!
The total number of Iraqis voting will be more than

Corection! 12,796,883
Astonishing!
After they vote, there will be more than
[/b]
Corection! 12,796,883
Iraqi Patrick Henrys.
Quote:
Patrick Henry: "It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry peace, peace!—but there is no peace. The war is actually begun. The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms. Our brethen are already in the field. Why stay we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me: give me liberty, or give me death!"

You can count on it!
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:41 am
Changing a few numbers around (based upon... what intel, actually?) does not change the annoyingness of your posting the same thing over and over again, with no commentary, explanations, sources, links, or anything, which adds nothing substantive to the conversation whatsoever.

You are just doing it to be annoying, and I'm tired of it. I'm formally requesting you again to stop.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:41 am
And I'm pretty sure, no one in there right mind gives a rat's a$$ what you think clogs the forum. I think it is clogged by needless, mindless hyper-partisan idiocy pushed by folks that would deny the sky was blue if The Leader of the Free World said it was.

http://www.deskpicture.com/features/USElection2000/bush/BlueBush.jpg



Funny, requesting them to shut the hell up (formally or otherwise) doesn't seem to work either. Laughing
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:46 am
Quit being a jerk, Bill. Plus the formatting on that pic is screwy.

Ican, we all understand the way you feel; I don't have a problem discussing the way you feel if you'd like to do so. But mindless inanities help nothing, and that's basically what you've been doing by posting the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over &c.

It's not against the TOS, but I'm asking you to quit this childishness and return to a more substantive conversation.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:47 am
McGentrix wrote:
I don't think it's the same thing. The numbers seem to keep going up for some reason...

Yes the numbers are going up. I predicted to my wife that you would be among those detecting that right from the "git-go." And of course that prediction made to my wife is hereby substantiated. (There she goes giggling at me again! Life is good!)

The reason the numbers are going up is because my predictions are evolving to a greater level of accuracy, thanks to What Am. Cool
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2005 11:47 am
I'll even throw you a soft lob: what data do you base your rapidly increasing numbers of Iraqi voters upon?

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.9 seconds on 08/10/2025 at 08:41:27