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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 03:37 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Ican.........can I just say...........SmileSmileSmile

You can, I can, we all can just say.......... Smile Smile Smile But ican just say Laughing Laughing Laughing You can count on it!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 06:48 pm
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can't by Edgar Guest

can't is the worst word that's written or spoken;
Doing more harm here than slander and lies;
On it is many a strong spirit is broken,
And with it many a good purpose dies.
It springs from the lips of the thoughtless each morning,
And robs us of courage we need through this day:
It rings in our ears like a timely sent warning,
And laughs when we falter and fall by the way.

can't is the father of feeble endeavor,
The parent of terror and halfhearted work;
It weakens the efforts of artisans clever,
And makes of the toiler an indolent shirk.
It poisons the soul of the man with a vision,
It stifles in infancy many a plan;
It greets honest toiling with open derision,
And mocks at the hopes and the dreams of a man.

can't is a word none should speak without blushing;
To utter it should be a symbol of shame;
Ambition and courage it daily is crushing;
It blights a man's purpose and shortens his aim.
Despise it with all of your hatred of error;
Refuse it the lodgment it seeks in yor brain;
Arm against it as a creature of terror,
And all that you dream of you someday shall gain.

can't is the word that is foe to ambition,
An enemy in ambush to shatter your will;
Its prey is forever the man with a mission,
And bows but to courage and patience and skill.
Hate it, with hatred that's deep and undying,
For once it is welcomed 'twill break any man;
Whatever the goal you are seeking, keep trying,
And answer this demon by saying: "I can."


You can count on it!
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 07:49 pm
Well, all I can say Ican is that it is so sweet to find someone so euphorically sure of the future, I haven't seen such foaming happy giddiness since the dogs found that bag of special mushrooms and ate the whole thing.

What's missing is your lack of understanding of Iraq, of it's history and it's conflicts and of Islam which is an basic part of the Iraqi character. I would have thought by now you would have spent some time learning about the place where Americans are dying every day, instead of contenting yourself with Tom Franks bloviations about how good we whipped em twice.

Catch this: we haven't whipped them yet. The insurgents are well equipped for this war of horror, they care about nothing but their faith in their God and their hatred of the American presence in their land. Get this: they do not hate freedom, or democracy or rockandroll, they just want to be free of western influences, to be under the law of Shariah and be guided in their life by Allah and his Prophet Mohammed. And they are willing to keep killing us one by one until we leave. There will never be a cease-fire, there will never be a negotiated peace.

You don't like it? Too bad, they will kill you too if you happen to be in or around their land.

Joe (time's up. Face the facts.) Nation
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 08:19 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
Well, all I can say Ican is that it is so sweet to find someone so euphorically sure of the future, I haven't seen such foaming happy giddiness since the dogs found that bag of special mushrooms and ate the whole thing.


You should learn to hide your stash better.

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What's missing is your lack of understanding of Iraq, of it's history and it's conflicts and of Islam which is an basic part of the Iraqi character. I would have thought by now you would have spent some time learning about the place where Americans are dying every day, instead of contenting yourself with Tom Franks bloviations about how good we whipped em twice.


Is there more to this paragraph than an ad hominem disguised as "intellectualist lingo"?

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Catch this: we haven't whipped them yet. The insurgents are well equipped for this war of horror, they care about nothing but their faith in their God and their hatred of the American presence in their land. Get this: they do not hate freedom, or democracy or rockandroll, they just want to be free of western influences, to be under the law of Shariah and be guided in their life by Allah and his Prophet Mohammed. And they are willing to keep killing us one by one until we leave. There will never be a cease-fire, there will never be a negotiated peace.


I think you are wrong here Joe. The insurgents are fighting against freedom. Most are baathist holdovers from Saddam reign who no longer have the power they once had over the populace of Iraq. They no longer have the ability to terrorize the innocent Iraqis legally, so they now do so illegally in hopes of regaining the power they once had.

They see a free Iraq as a threat to their personal lifestyle, Islam be damned. They use Islam as an excuse to further the bloodshed because westerners eat it up.

Let's keep in mind that the insurgents make up a very small minority of the populace of Iraq. They have a ticking clock around their necks and the alarm is about to go off ending their reign of terror.

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You don't like it? Too bad, they will kill you too if you happen to be in or around their land.

Joe (time's up. Face the facts.) Nation
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 09:11 pm
Toleration is not harboring, ican, and your illustration is inept. One thing is a murderer living in one's house. Another thing was Ansar al-Islam operating in an area outside of Saddam's control. Your logical deduction is predicated on a leap of logic.

I truly think the US would have not only prevented Saddam's troops from entering northern Iraq and doing what Powell claims the US had asked him to do, apprehend and turn over al Zarqawi--an individual about whom the 9/11 commission, Powell's only source of possible corroboration, makes not a single solitary mention--I think the US would not have wanted Saddam anywhere near the area it was protecting on behalf of the Iraqi Kurds. The US grudgingly tolerated the KDP's enlistment of Saddam's forces in their struggle with the PUK. It is unlikely that the US would enlist Saddam to do something that the Kurds themselves were fully capable of handling.

I truly think the Kurds, and especially the PUK--who were the Kurds in particular who were in a position to decisively deal with Ansar al-Islam--would have absolutely nothing to do with Saddam Hussein. The KDP temporarily aligned themselves with Saddam in their struggle with the PUK for realpolitik reasons in 1996, and by 1998 they drove Saddam's forces out of the area. In a September 6, 1996 Tower Magazine interview MY ENEMY'S ENEMY IS MY FRIEND, (Harvey Morris) the KDP senior foreign policy adviser, Hoshyar Zebari, states that they felt forced out of desperation into an allegiance with Saddam against the PUK, whom were allegedly backed by Iran, because of the US' deliberations trying to mediate their conflict.

The 9/11 commission arrived at its conclusion of "indications of tolerance" perusing unreliable reports, reports based on information we garnered from detainees probably employing systematic torture. Hence, the 9/11 commission's claims of "indications of tolerance" are questionable, and inferences that they are so are illogical.

The fact that the 9/11 commission was a non-partisan commission is irrelevant in regard to issues of questionability of its statements. The 9/11 commission was set up precisely to investigate the US intelligence community's intelligence failures.

Indications of tolerance, per se, are not necessarily questionable evidence. The statement the 9/11 commission made about indications of tolerance is questionable because of the facts that I've presented in the fourth paragraph above. It is not logical to call the 9/11 commission's statements about tolerance some evidence. They are merely questionable claims.

About my comment about Britannica.com's claim, I wrote exactly what I meant to say, the Ba'athist regime attempted to direct affairs in the Kurdish Autonomous Region by various means, including military force, i.e. (id est, that is, namely, because that is specifically to what Britannica.com was referring when it stated that the Ba'athist regime attempted to direct affairs in the Kurdish Autonomous Region by various means, including military force) the Iraqi military launched a successful attack against the Kurdish city of Arbil in 1996. Britannica.com only mentions its attack against the Kurdish city of Arbil in 1996. It's interesting that Britannica.com omits the details about the events in Arbil of that year, and doesn't elaborate upon the other "various means" the Ba'athist regime attempted to direct affairs in the Kurdish Autonomous Region.

What you've presented in the first part of your last response is sufficient to establish, not that Saddam probably harbored al Qaeda, but that the claim that Saddam harbored al Qaeda is nothing more than a questionable claim based on unreliable information.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 10:26 pm
In the meantime, for the next couple of weeks or so, we can all hope and pray that the Iraqis are made of the same stuff as these good folks who recently got to vote for the first time:

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Afghan citizens made their commitment to democracy so clear by ``massively'' participating in the election that no major political figure would now attempt to circumvent the vote, U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad told reporters in Washington today.

``It was a spectacular success,'' Afghan-born Khalilzad said of the voting. He described a celebratory attitude among many Afghan citizens, many of who took special baths and dressed in their best clothes for the event.

Some women wore henna on their hands, a tradition often observed at weddings, and others ``said their last prayers,'' apparently determined to vote even if it meant they might be killed by opponents of the U.S.-assisted election, Khalilzad said.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=adsKIaRvXmBQ&refer=asia
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 11:22 pm
Personally I wish you would refrain from linking Afghanistan with Iraq as though they are one and the same.

For one thing as far as I am aware Afghanistan did not have polling places closed; the violence is not as bad there as it is in Iraq. (although it does have it's own set of problems as CI mentioned.)

For another like I said in my previous post, the two are completely different, one is legit and the other is not.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 11:34 pm
In media news, a recent survey shows that Radio Free Afghanistan is one of the most popular stations in the country:

Nearly two thirds of Afghan radio listeners are tuning in to Radio Free Afghanistan, according to the results of a new survey conducted for RFE/RL by the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG).

The survey showed a nationwide weekly listening rate of 61.6 percent to RFE/RL's Radio Free Afghanistan broadcasts in Dari and Pashto, a rate that rises to 70 percent in the capital city of Kabul. . . .

RFE/RL's Radio Free Afghanistan and the Voice of America (VOA) broadcast on a 24-hour single stream in Afghanistan. RFA provides local news and VOA supplies news about events around the world. The U.S. Congress appropriated funding to create Radio Free Afghanistan in December 2001, as part of an effort to build a peaceful and democratic Afghanistan following the successful U.S.-lead strike against the Taliban.

When asked about the reliability of the news and information broadcast, strong majorities in the survey considered RFA and VOA to be trustworthy. Asked about general issues, 54 percent said they are favorable inclined toward the USA, 64 percent say things in Afghanistan are headed in the right direction, and, when asked to name the first thing that comes to mind when speaking of the USA, 40 percent said U.S. support for reconstruction of Afghanistan.

As RFE/RL president Thomas Dine says, "We are proud of what Radio Free Afghanistan has achieved in the past three years. Our emphasis on helping the entire country rise from the chaos of a quarter century of war is clearly appreciated by our listeners."

http://www.rferl.org/releases/2004/12/286-101204.asp
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Adrian
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 11:35 pm
I thought this thread was about Iraq....
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 11:38 pm
Oh, and this story should be heartwarming to women everywhere..........

Locked out of the economy by the Taliban, Afghan women are now leading the small-business revival throughout the country, thanks to financial microassistance:


At an awards ceremony last month honouring entrepreneurs who have successfully started up small businesses with the assistance of various microfinance programmes, 18 of the 23 recipients were women. Mustafa Kazemi, the minister of commerce, congratulated the female winners and noted that they are part of a long tradition of women being active in the business world. Noting that the wife of the Prophet Muhammad ran her own business, Kazemi said, "We should have female businesses in our country, too."
The awards ceremony was part of a worldwide effort by the United Nations to call attention to microcredit and microfinance programmes. Such programmes provide small loans, sometimes amounting to only 100 US dollars, to individuals who would otherwise not be able to borrow the money necessary to start their own businesses. . . .

Five non-governmental organisations, NGOs, that operate microcredit programmes in the country--CARE International, Bangladesh Rural Advancement Committee, BRAC, Parwaz, an Afghan NGO, the Paris-based Mission d'Aide au Développement des Economies Rurales en Afghanistan, Madera, and the Washington-based Foundation for International Community Assistance, FINCA, nominated businesspeople for the awards, with 300 dollar and 100 dollar prizes. . . .

Shaqila, the programme's chief loan supervisor in Herat, said her organisation has given loans to 250 women there since 2003. She said that most of the women have taken out loans out to start carpet-weaving or clothes-making businesses. Each is loaned 6,000 afghanis [$120] to start with and after three months, if they've paid it back, they can borrow up to 10,000 afghanis [$200] more. If they pay back that amount after four months, they then can borrow up to 15,000 afghanis [$300]. FINCA requires that borrowers put up collateral for the first loan.

Katrin Fakiri, the Afghan-American director of Parwaz, said her organisation, has given loans to 600 women living in Kabul province since 2003 and has plans to expand to the central province of Wardak and southern province of Ghazni.

Read some of the inspirational stories:

Mah Gul, a 40- year-old tailor from Herat: "Three months ago I was given 6,000 afghanis [$120] by FINCA to start making curtains and clothes. . . . If there was nobody to lend the money to me, I would have to go to the houses of rich people to work there and wash their clothes.


Faree Gul, a 48-year-old widow from Kabul, who received a loan of 5,000 afghanis ($100) three months ago: "I started a female-run bakery, and business is getting better day by day." According to the report, "she now employs all six members of her family and plans to apply for another loan so she can build an additional bakery."


Zia Jan, an illiterate 36-year-old seamstress from Kabul: "I was given 5,000 afghanis [$100] by Parwaz and I bought three sewing machines. Now I earn 6,000 afghanis [$120] a month."

http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/arr/arr_200412_152_3_eng.txt
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2005 11:46 pm
McG Wrote:
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Most are baathist holdovers from Saddam reign who no longer have the power they once had over the populace of Iraq.


This is where you are wrong. Most are Iraqis who weren't part of the insurgency just 3 months ago. Iraq's own internal intelligence estimates have shown as many as 200k active fighters.

I'd like for everything to go okay; I just seriously doubt that it will based upon a combination of our previous track record in the area and the seemingly growing resistance to our actions. Whether it is logical or not, people are going to expect things out of this election, and if they don't get them, they aren't going to be happy. Which is bad.

Cycloptichorn
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 12:20 am
Cyclo - I think you underestimate the Iraqis. Even if the number of terrorists there is twice what you say, there are millions more who have no intention of folding under Baath pressure.

I understand where you're coming from, I think. One difference between your outlook and mine (the pessimism/optimism thing) is that I've spent the past year reading the thoughts, hearts and minds of some of the Iraqis that I believe to be the majority in the country.

They are very candid and don't hold back, and as difficult as it is to sometimes read what they're going through it does tend to give one a truer picture of what is really going on over there.

I read so much of the hand-wringing variety of pessimism over the Afghan elections (MSM and Krugman had tons to say on that one), and very little of their predictions were realized.

Not trying to change your mind here. Think what you want and what you will, but keep in mind that even after the elections there will be huge problems and obstacles to overcome. It's going to be worth it in the long run, though.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 05:21 am
Grab a clue George.......

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3. Absolutely? Sometimes you have to go to the reg...
Absolutely?

Sometimes you have to go to the regional newspapers for the punchy editorials. The Pentagon's announcement that the search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction officially ended quietly in late December provokes the Virginia Pilot to observe, "And America is left with a seemingly endless war in Iraq, but without a rationale for it."

Well, not the main rationale. But Bush is still spinning the old fool's gold with his privileged lips:

Dan Froomkin of the Washington Post quotes this exchange from the 20/20 to be aired Friday night:



"Barbara Walters: This was our main reason for going in. So now when we read, 'Okay, the search is over,' what do you feel?

"President Bush: Well, like you, I felt like we'd find weapons of mass destruction. Or like many, many here in the United States, many around the world, the United Nations thought he had weapons of mass destruction, and so therefore, one, we need to find out what went wrong in the intelligence gathering. Saddam was dangerous. And . . . the world was safer without him in power.

"Walters: But was it worth it if there were no weapons of mass destruction? Now that we know that that was wrong? Was it worth it?

"Bush: Oh, absolutely."



Bush's response contains three elements.

1) The US was not alone in being wrong about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. All the other nations did, too.

2) Saddam was dangerous.

3) Absolutely.

When is someone going to call him on this inanity? The Belgians didn't have intelligence assets inside Iraq that could have given them an independent view of the question. Whatever the world believed, it mostly believed because the United States disseminated the information.

Moreover, it is not true that there were no dissenters. The State Department's own Intelligence and Research Division dissented. French military intelligence dissented. What Bush is saying is either untrue or meaningless.

As I have pointed out before, Saddam without weapons of mass destruction could not have been "dangerous" to the United States. Just parroting "dangerous" doesn't create real danger. Danger has to come from an intent and ability to strike the US. Saddam had neither. He wasn't dangerous to the US. It is absurd that this poor, weak, ramshackle 3rd world state should have been seen as "dangerous" to a superpower. That is just propaganda.

Calling Saddam "dangerous" as an existential element without regard to the evidence falls under the propaganda techniques of name-calling and stirring irrational fear.

As for "Absolutely," it is a weasel word. It is not an argument. It is a species of hand waving. It is cheap.

Bush has figured out, apparently, that some in the American public respond, rather like the apes to which they deny they are related, to posture, grunting and body language rather than to reason and evidence. When I see him smirking and gesturing, I can't help thinking of the ape General Thade (Tim Roth) in Tim Burton's remake of the Planet of the Apes, which used scientific findings about primate behavior and hierarchy to inform the acting.

"Absolutely" used in this way is a vocalization that actually functions as an intimidating agonistic display meant to close off further dialogue by the silverback.

What would happen if we turned away from the world of political theater to the real world? We would find a study by the National Intelligence Council which is quite alarming about Iraq and the future.

The National Intelligence Council, the think tank of the CIA, has concluded that Iraq has now succeeded Afghanistan as the training ground for professionalized terrorists.

Much of the terrorism in the Middle East in the 1990s and early zeroes has been carried out by fighters who had assembled to defeat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s, got training and became ideologically committed, and then returned to their home countries. The "Afghans" on the streets of Algiers actually wore Afghan clothing (sort of like an American coming back from Scotland and insisting on wearing a kilt), and they joined the vigorous stream of Islamic politics in Algeria. When the generals cancelled the election results of the 1991 parliamentary polls, which the Islamic Salvation Front had won, many Muslim fundamentalists turned radical and got training from the "Afghans." The more radical of them formed the Armed Islamic Group, which joined al-Qaeda in the late 1990s and to which belonged Ahmad Rassam, who tried to blow up Los Angeles Airport for the Millennium Plot. Similar stories could be told about the Afghanistan returnees in Yemen, Indonesia, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and so forth.

So, the likelihood is that Bush's Iraq misadventure will be responsible for terrorism that is blowing up our grandchildren down the line.

Absolutely.
Fri, Jan 14, 2005 0:15
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 06:46 am
Deputy Secretary Dept. of State Richard Armitage says on NPR this morning that :"Ironically, from a religious point of view, the people who are with us in Iraq need us to leave and those who oppose us need us to stay, so they can continue their jihad."

Armitage and Colin Powell were two of the more moderate voices of the first term of the Bush Administration and, of course, both are leaving.


Joe( Rolling Eyes )Nation
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 08:51 am
Interesting article:

In Cafe Debate, a Victory for Elections
At Intersection of Old and New Iraq, the Vote Itself Is What Counts

By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, January 14, 2005; Page A01

BAGHDAD, Jan. 13 -- In Shahbandar, a storied Baghdad cafe whose name evokes a time (the past) and a milieu (the highbrow), three men sat over cigarettes and hourglass cups of sweet tea Thursday and debated what the coming elections meant for a country scarred by three decades of tyranny, war and bitter disillusionment.

"Going to the polling stations is a victory for the Iraqi people," said Ali Danif, a 45-year-old writer.

"The elections are more important than the candidates," insisted Jamal Karim, his garrulous friend.

Not to be outdone, a smiling Suheil Yassin jumped in. "It's one of my wishes to die at the gate of the polling station," he said, a gesture that was self-consciously dramatic. "I want to be a martyr for the ballot box."

Iraq's first competitive elections in decades are an oddly subdued affair. Violence lurks menacingly over the process, which will end with the selection of a new parliament on Jan. 30. Candidates' names are not published, for fear of assassination. Rallies are few, posters are often torn down, and hardly anyone can describe a party's platform, much less its nominees.

But in Shahbandar, a century-old cafe long the intellectual heart of this weary city, where men in frayed suit jackets and sweater vests cluster in small circles to debate, there is a pronounced optimism about what the elections signify among people who have grasped for a turning point during nearly two years of occupation. For many of the men gathered here, sitting under portraits of Baghdad's history, the elections are more important than the candidates.

"Without elections, there will be tyranny," said Kadhim Hassan, a 37-year-old writer.

A late-morning light bathed the crowded cafe in a soft glow as Hassan sat on a narrow wooden bench. He called the vote a "historic moment," then his face turned hard. "War and disasters," he said, shaking his head -- that's what Iraqis have been born into.

"Now most people feel they are living in darkness," Hassan said. "It's time for us to come into the light."

Shahbandar, with its vaulted ceilings and brick walls, is an artifact of what some might call a more civilized time in Baghdad, before conversations revolved around the kidnappings that have become epidemic, before the frustrations with electricity that has yet to improve, before the complaints over gas lines that can stretch miles and have for more than a month.

Antique water pipes are stacked in rows three deep, along with samovars and brass decanters collecting dust. Outside is the warren of bookstores along Mutanabi Street, named for a 10th-century sage, whose words can still be quoted from memory by nearly all Arabs. Around the corner is the Qushla, the seat in Baghdad of the Ottoman government, which fell in World War I. It was about that time that the cafe was renovated and officially named for its former owners, who began attracting the city's men of letters.

Shahbandar doesn't have backgammon tables, cards or dominoes, the accoutrements of most Arab cafes. In their place is talk -- a lot of it -- especially around noon, when space on the couches is limited and cigarette butts pile up on the floor.

"I'm not persuaded by the elections," declared Abdel-Rahman Abbas, 60, a former municipal worker with a well-groomed mustache and blue sports jacket. "The Americans can do what they want, and they've already made up their mind."

Abbas was worried. He shared the cynicism voiced by many about Iraq's preeminent political parties, most of which operated in exile during Saddam Hussein's era. He said he figured the elections would only inflame sectarian divisions that, despite provocation after provocation, have yet to explode. And he gave voice to the nostalgia evoked so often here: In his mind, the monarchy that fell in 1958 would be as good as any government..........


Full article here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7883-2005Jan13.html?nav=rss_world
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 10:37 am
JW
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Cyclo - I think you underestimate the Iraqis. Even if the number of terrorists there is twice what you say, there are millions more who have no intention of folding under Baath pressure.


Yeah, I understand this; but the amount of damage that could be caused by a relatively small number of people is huge.

And not just to collateral, but to the legitimacy of the election. You simply can't legitimize a vote in which there are a significant number of ballot boxes blown up, fake voters, assassinations at voting sites, masked men simply watching you vote with the unspoken threat of knowing who you are... no matter how the count turns out, there will be someone crying foul. And unlike here in the US, when the Iraqis cry foul, they tend to be somewhat more violent while doing it.

To me, the real danger is in one branch of their religion or another decrying the election, the violence behind the election, whatever, and calling for a mobilization of their people to deal with it. Which would be an absolute disaster. And a very real possibility.

So while I would like to read about an election day that went smoothly, I'm afraid the odds of that are rather low, given the steps the insurgency has taken the last few months to turn up the level of violence.

Cycloptichorn
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 12:44 pm
Adrian wrote:
I thought this thread was about Iraq....


I think certain folks decided to regroup and use new tactics in their defense of Iraq.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 01:08 pm
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White House Calls CIA Report 'Speculative'

Associated Press


WASHINGTON - The White House on Friday played down a government report which said the war in Iraq is providing an important training ground and recruitment center for Islamic terrorists.

"This is a speculative report about things that could happen in the world," press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters on Air Force One as President Bush traveled to Florida for an education speech.

Bush has frequently described Iraq as the central front in the war on terror, and has said the United States wants to confront terrorists overseas rather than at home.

"The report confirms that we have the right strategy for winning the war on terrorism," McClellan said.

Asked about the finding that the war had created a breeding ground for terrorists, he said, "That's assuming that terrorists would just be sitting around and doing nothing if we weren't staying on the offensive."

The report was released Thursday by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director's think tank.
Source
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HofT
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 01:09 pm
Joe - Armitage leaving State is a loss, Powell getting booted out isn't.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 14 Jan, 2005 01:12 pm
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US Ignored Warning on Iraqi Oil Smuggling

A joint investigation by the Financial Times and Il Sole 24 Ore, the Italian business daily, shows that the single largest and boldest smuggling operation in the oil-for-food programme was conducted with the knowledge of the US government.

by: Claudio Gatti on: 15th Jan, 05

For months, the US Congress has been investigating activities that violated the United Nations oil-for-food programme and helped Saddam Hussein build secret funds to acquire arms and buy influence.
President George W. Bush has linked future US funding of the international body to a clear account of what went on under the multi-billion dollar programme. But a joint investigation by the Financial Times and Il Sole 24 Ore, the Italian business daily, shows that the single largest and boldest smuggling operation in the oil-for-food programme was conducted with the knowledge of the US government. "Although the financial beneficiaries were Iraqis and Jordanians, the fact remains that the US government participated in a major conspiracy that violated sanctions and enriched Saddam's cronies," a former UN official said. "That is exactly what many in the US are now accusing other countries of having done. I think it's pretty ironic."

Overall, the operation involved 14 tankers engaged by a Jordanian entity to load at least 7m barrels of oil for a total of no less than $150m (€113m) of illegal profits. About another $50m went to Mr Hussein's cronies. In February 2003, when US media first published reports of this smuggling effort, then attributed exclusively to the Iraqis, the US mission to the UN condemned it as "immoral".

However, FT/Il Sole have evidence that US and UK missions to the UN were informed of the smuggling while it was happening and that they reported it to their respective governments, to no avail. Oil traders were told informally that the US let the tankers go because Amman needed oil to build up its strategic reserves in expectation of the Iraq war.

Last week Paul Volcker, head of the independent commission created by the UN to investigate failures in the oil-for-food programme, confirmed that Washington allowed violations of the oil sanctions by Jordan in recognition of its national interests. However, only a fraction of the oil smuggled out of Iraq reached the Jordanian port of Aqaba. Most was sold to the Middle East Oil Refinery, in Alexandria, Egypt; to a refinery in Aden, Yemen; and to Malaysia and China. "This operation was not permitted under the Security Council resolutions dealing with the oil-for-food programme," said Michel Tellings, one of the two UN inspectors responsible at the time for the implementation of the programme. "The volume of oil was not inspected and payments were not made to the UN escrow account, as required by the programme."

In January 2003, Millennium, a little-known Jordanian company, asked Odin Marine, a shipping broker based in Stamford, Connecticut, to find tankers to load millions of barrels of Iraqi oil. Odin declined to comment. "The ship owners were very wary," recalled another broker involved in the deal. "They received papers from Jordan with all kinds of government stamps claiming it was legitimate,but never actually received anything from the UN."

In fact, no UN papers could have been provided since Millennium was not allowed to lift oil from Iraq, and the port of loading, Khor al-Amaya in southern Iraq, did not have UN authorisation to operate. Nevertheless, shipping companies willing to take the cargo were found. "One of the vessels I fixed was the Argosea, which was owned by the Greek shipping company Tsakos," the broker said. At the same time, Millennium chartered a couple of supertankers, including the Empress des Mers, to hold its oil in the Gulf.

According to a spokesman for the Bahamian-based company that owned the Empress des Mers, the vessel was to be loaded at sea from other tankers and sit in the territorial waters of the United Arab Emirates off Fujairah, a port at the entrance of the Gulf. The operation was too big to go unnoticed. In the middle of February 2003, UN inspectors began receiving calls from companies that were lifting oil from Mina al-Bakr, the only UN-authorised port in southern Iraq.

The companies complained that tankers had suddenly appeared a few miles away in Khor al-Amaya. Their activities had halved the pace of loading in Mina, which was served by the same pipeline, leading to delays that were causing demurrage fees. Furious because the Iraqis had a history of refusing to reimburse those costs, the lifters informed Mr Tellings who in turn notified the US and UK missions to the UN.

Mr Tellings provided detailed information, including the names of some of the ships spotted by inspectors in the area. He believed the tankers would be challenged by the Multinational Interception Force (MIF), the force led by the US navy that had been enforcing the embargo on Iraq. "Three or four days later, I chased [the US and UK representatives] and asked them what had happened with my information. They told me that they had communicated it to their capitals and that they were puzzled themselves by the lack of action."

US mission spokesman Richard Grenell said: "We were tireless advocates to bring to the attention of the committee any and all oil smuggling and illegal activity. But while the [oil-for-food] investigation is going on we are not going to talk about specific issues." Mr Tellings was not the only one who informed US authorities. Saybolt, the Dutch company hired by the UN to oversee oil loading operations in Iraq, reported the incident to the MIF.

On February 21 2003, when reports of the smuggling first appeared in the US press, Jeff Alderson, spokesman for the Maritime Liaison Office (MLO), the US navy office in Bahrain that co-ordinated the MIF activities, was quoted as saying that he had "no information" about it. His successor, Jeff Breslau, confirmed to Il Sole/FT that "we have no record that we were warned" about the smuggling. But Il Sole/FT has discovered that on February 17 2003, Saybolt sent an e-mail to the MLO about smuggling that specifically mentioned the Argosea. The same day, the MLO sent a reply to Saybolt acknowledging that notification.

For months, international traders looked for ways to make the cargo legal. "There were plenty of letters from the Jordanian ministry claiming that the oil was legitimate," saidone trader. "But we concluded that there was no way that it could be legally bought." Eventually, however, customers willing to take a chance were found. "After six months, we were asked to discharge the oil," said the spokesman for the Empress des Mers. The cargo was taken to Egypt, he added.

Out of this operation, traders estimate, Iraqis pocketed about $50m, all off the UN books, while subsequent sale of the oil netted $150m in profits. Millennium, the company that arranged the operation, is owned by Khaled Shaheen, a Jordanian magnate who is president of Shaheen Investment & Business (SBIG), and his two brothers, according to a company search. However, Millennium clearly operated with the approval of the Jordanian government. Papers exchanged with the shippers, and e-mails from Odin Marine describe the company as "Millennium, for the trade of raw materials and mineral oils for and on behalf of the Ministry of Energy and Mineral Resources". An e-mail sent on March 6 2003 by Odin Marine to confirm the fixing of one of the vessels mentioned that "the Jordanian government through the Ministry of Energy and Mineral Resources empowered Millennium to conduct this transaction on their behalf, as per the attached power of attorney".
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