That "Saddam tolerated AaI al Qaeda encamped in northern Iraq and thereby harbored them there" is merely your speculation, ican. Your speculation is not evidence that Saddam harbored al Qaeda, or even tolerated them.
That "Saddam tolerated AaI al Qaeda encamped in northern Iraq and thereby harbored them there, because he did not request the US, who Saddam knew didn't want them there, to remove AaI al Qaeda" is also merely your speculation, ican, nothing more. Your speculation is not evidence that Saddam harbored al Qaeda, or even tolerated them.
That "Saddam tolerated AaI al Qaeda encamped in northern Iraq and thereby harbored them there, because he did not request the Kurds, who Saddam knew didn't want them there, to remove AaI al Qaeda" is yet again merely your speculation, and nothing more, ican. Your speculation is not evidence that Saddam harbored al Qaeda, or even tolerated them.
That "Saddam tolerated AaI al Qaeda encamped in northern Iraq and thereby harbored them there, because he did not pass-the-buck to the US to remove them" is only your speculation, ican. Your speculation is not evidence that Saddam harbored al Qaeda, or even tolerated them.
That "Saddam did not remove the AaI al Qaeda from northern Iraq before the US invasion of Iraq; and, because there is zero evidence that Saddam made any effort whatsoever to remove AaI al Qaeda from northern Iraq despite an ability to do it himself without Kurd or US objection, or ask the Kurds or the US to do it for him, Saddam did indeed tolerate AaI al Qaeda in northern Iraq and did harbor them there" is, like your blather in the above quotes, ultimately and utterly only your speculation, ican. Your speculation is definitely NOT evidence that Saddam harbored al Qaeda, or even tolerated them.
The 9/11 Commission report is a self-admittedly poor and unreliable source of evidence of Saddam's alleged harboring of al Qaeda.
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oh. so it's not the isabella that jimi hendrix wrote a song about...
bummer.
No, ican, my statements about what you've written are facts. To reiterate, you merely provide your own speculations. Your own speculations are not evidence.
For all of the evidence the 9/11 Commission presents about a nexus between Saddam and al Qaeda, it amounts to the words "indications" of "tolerance" and "may even have helped." The 9/11 Commission relied on statements garnered from detainees that the US government interrogated. The US government uses systematic torture in its interrogation processes. "Evidence" garnered from individuals under duress is, at best, suspect.
Also, the two major autonomous Kurdish parties were preparing to move against Ansar al-Islam in 2002. Their plans were ultimately thwarted by the growing prospects for a US strike against Baghdad.
That the US claims that it requested Saddam to deliver al Qaeda leadership to us is not evidence that Saddam tolerated and harbored al Qaeda. This is like saying that Bush telling Saddam to disarm is evidence of Saddam's WMD armament. Respectively, both are not evidence of neither.
The al Qaeda leadership to which Powell was referring, Abu Musab Zarqawi, isn't even mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. This fact is indicative that Powell and the US administration were talking out of their asses.
Saddam had no control over northern Iraq. The Kurds controlled northern Iraq under the protection of the Combined Task Force's Operation Northern Watch. The results of ONW were de facto autonomy and independence for the Kurds in Iraqi Kurdistan.
All the "evidence" there is for Saddam's alleged tolerance and "harboring" of al Qaeda amounts to the 9/11 Commission's words "indications" "tolerance" and "may even have helped."
All you have to base your flights of fanciful conjecture are those words and Powell's UN propaganda. Your flights of fanciful conjecture are evidence of absolutely nothing.
And those same detainees were the ones that claimed Saddam had WMDs for which our "intelligence" bought lock, stock, and barrel. Burn me once...
Yep, ci.
We also swallowed hook, line, and sinker the "information" about WMD and al Qaeda "links" provided by disidents and other parties who had a vested interest in our ensuing war against Saddam.
happy new year everyone.
Here's hoping that the new year will be better than the last few years.
(infrablue, CI, I keep admiring you guys for responding to the same things like some kind of remake of the movie groundhog day. Here's also hoping that some will admit that they have been proven wrong in the new year.)
I admit that Ican has been proven wrong.
McTag
But he never will! He has a lot of Bush in him.
McTag wrote:I admit that Ican has been proven wrong.
:wink:
au1929 wrote:McTag
But he never will! He has a lot of Bush in him.
Hummm...seems as though I am not the only one who realizes that.
Frank Apisa wrote:McTag wrote:I admit that Ican has been proven wrong.
:wink:
au1929 wrote:McTag
But he never will! He has a lot of Bush in him.
Hummm...seems as though I am not the only one who realizes that.
Nope. You BAFC members are seldom in disagreement. Now, all ya'll get on your knees in front of Ican and tell him the truth:
Happy New Year Everyone!
OCCOM BILL wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:McTag wrote:I admit that Ican has been proven wrong.
:wink:
au1929 wrote:McTag
But he never will! He has a lot of Bush in him.
Hummm...seems as though I am not the only one who realizes that.
Nope. You BAFC members are seldom in disagreement. Now, all ya'll get on your knees in front of Ican and tell him the truth:
Happy New Year Everyone!
That "blame America first" nonsense is getting old, Bill.
Fact is...most of us are not blaming America at all. Most of us see America and Americans as capable of great things...and of sterling motives.
We do tend to see the conservative agenda...particularly as articulated by George Bush and his handlers...as horseshyt.
In dealing with that...it can sometimes seem like we are "blaming America"...but probably only to a conservative looking to sling a bit of mud and not being able to come up with much better than that sad tripe.
Happy New Year, Buddy.
Hope all your holdings are aces in 2005! :wink:
By the way, Bill...
...Ican knows exactly how I feel about his inability...or unwillingness...to acknowledge he is wrong.
We've got a long history!
Bill
It's not BAFC it's BBWH
Blame the boob in the white house
;Would our decision to flee Iraq pacify the terrorists? What do you think? I think not!
