THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

Frank Apisa wrote:

And there are people who mock this desire to stop the carnage. I attribute that to a conservative morality (which we all know is the pits)....and to an amazing lack of compassion and empathy.

I suggest people like this simply be pitied...and best if we all try to wake them up.



WAKE UP, FOX.

Is this really coming from the same poster who wrote:

FrankApisa wrote:

The question I would ask anyone who doubts that we should simply cut and run as soon as possible is...

...wouldn't it have been better to have done that in Vietnam early on...than to wait and do it after almost 50,000 young men and women had died...and ten times that many had been maimed?

50,000 Frank? There was more than that just counting Americans. That's your idea of "compassion and empathy"? Your count is off by millions Frank. Millions.



WAKE UP, FRANK!

Oh and here's a starter for you re that photo, Frank. There are lots of others but a photo is kinda hard to Google--though my search engine came right up with this one--but it being Christmas and all, there's other stuff I'd much rather do.

http://hammeroftruth.com/2004/04/06/the-original-iraqi-kid-message

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/boudreaux.asp

Oh and here's a starter for you re that photo, Frank. There are lots of others but a photo is kinda hard to Google--though my search engine came right up with this one--but it being Christmas and all, there's other stuff I'd much rather do.

http://hammeroftruth.com/2004/04/06/the-original-iraqi-kid-message

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/boudreaux.asp

Where the mistake began.
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Newly Obtained FBI Records Call Defense Department's Methods "Torture," Express Concerns Over "Cover-Up" That May Leave FBI "Holding the Bag" for Abuses

NEW YORK -- A document released for the first time today by the American Civil Liberties Union suggests that President Bush issued an Executive Order authorizing the use of inhumane interrogation methods against detainees in Iraq. Also released by the ACLU today are a slew of other records including a December 2003 FBI e-mail that characterizes methods used by the Defense Department as "torture" and a June 2004 "Urgent Report" to the Director of the FBI that raises concerns that abuse of detainees is being covered up.

"These documents raise grave questions about where the blame for widespread detainee abuse ultimately rests," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero. "Top government officials can no longer hide from public scrutiny by pointing the finger at a few low-ranking soldiers."

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=17216&c=206

cicerone imposter wrote:

Where the mistake began.
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Quote:
Newly Obtained FBI Records Call Defense Department's Methods "Torture," Express Concerns Over "Cover-Up" That May Leave FBI "Holding the Bag" for Abuses

NEW YORK -- A document released for the first time today by the American Civil Liberties Union suggests that President Bush issued an Executive Order authorizing the use of inhumane interrogation methods against detainees in Iraq. Also released by the ACLU today are a slew of other records including a December 2003 FBI e-mail that characterizes methods used by the Defense Department as "torture" and a June 2004 "Urgent Report" to the Director of the FBI that raises concerns that abuse of detainees is being covered up.

"These documents raise grave questions about where the blame for widespread detainee abuse ultimately rests," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero. "Top government officials can no longer hide from public scrutiny by pointing the finger at a few low-ranking soldiers."

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=17216&c=206

I'm pretty clear that if Pres Bush signed a paper like that (or maybe they use a machine for his signature too?) he wouldn't have understood it.
He would not have got the ramifications.
So cut the guy some slack, please. It isn't easy being president of anything.

The devastating noontime mess-hall attack on a U.S. base just outside of Mosul Tuesday -- which resulted in 22 dead America soldiers and civilians -- was the latest in an escalating series of ever-bolder moves by the Iraqi insurgency against coalition and Iraqi forces. According to Gen. Richard B. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the explosion was likely incited by a suicide bomber.

To some military analysts, the fact that a suicide bomber could wreak so much damage inside a heavily fortified Army base suggests that the Iraqi occupation has sunk to a new level of chaos. The war in many parts of Iraq, they say, is apparently so out of control that we don't even know what we don't know. The lack of human intelligence is almost total. "The situation in Iraq is so confusing that I have no idea what is going on there, and anyone that tells you that they do is not telling you the truth," says Thomas Nichols, professor of strategy at the U.S. Naval War College in Newport, R.I.

A more blunt assessment comes from retired Military Intelligence Sgt. Maj. J. David Gallant, an instructor at the Army Military Intelligence Center and School at Fort Huachuca, Ariz. "National will is going to falter in its support of this U.S. involvement -- more than it already has -- if our soldiers cannot even be secure in large, semi-hardened containment areas," he says. "This is a damned cold slap in the face, and not one of these soldiers should have been killed or injured." He goes on to say, "Iraq is heading for civil war and total chaos and the Jan. 30 election is like putting a Flintstones Band-Aid on a gushing femoral artery."

ican, your claim that al Qaeda were intentionally harbored in Iraq by its former government is unfounded, save propaganda which itself is unfounded.