OCCOM BILL wrote:McTag wrote: From my standpoint now, I look on this current administration as your author Al Franken does when he wrote "Dude, Where's My Country?" in that I do not recognise the former USA in today's version. I consider this invasion as a crime, and America to be very mis-led.
I consider this an insult. Neither I, nor the majority of my countrymen recognize Al Franken as our spokesperson.
Insult schminsult. Bill, do you go round pretending to be Robert de Niro in front of mirrors? You know, "You talkin to me?"?
I happen to think, like Al Franken and close to 49% of your countrymen, that the country has taken a wrong turn in having anything to do with the policies of George Bush. If that insults you, go ahead, be insulted. I will keep my freedom of speech which GWBs illustrious predecessors helped win for me, thank you.
OCCOM BILL wrote: ....Now, once you reconcile yourself to this simple truth you have little choice but to admit that the United States is head and shoulders above any and all of history's alpha's in terms of benevolence. So distasteful is such an admission to you to that you've gone to great lengths to avoid it. Even in your catch up round when you cited the question, you still avoided the answer.
You keep on with badgering people to give an answer in the form acceptable to you. A form of arrogance, IMO. Sometimes my answers are more interestion to me than following your prompts, straw men, and nonsequiturs. And sometimes, not too often mind, you ask a killer question. :wink:
This is a version of your "benevolence" theme where you are comparing the USA's behaviour post- conflict to- what? the Mongol hordes? The Ottoman Turks? The Nazis? The Romans? The Japanese pre- 1946? The British pre- 1914?
It's very hard to compare different situations in different historical periods. I wish a historian could come in on this; Setanta, are you there?
My opinion, stated before, is that states (and The States) act only out of perceived self-interest, not benevolence. The Marshall Plan, very important in postwar Europe, helped Europe get going again, stimulated the economy of all including the USA, and ensured the Soviets could not get further west.
The US came into WWI only after 3 years had passed, and stalemate existed. The US came into WWII only after 3 years had passed, Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor and Hitler had declared war on the United States, bad move Adolf. We in the UK received much in the way of supplies and help which kept us alive, but this was not a free gift, and one of the conditions was the breakup of the British Empire. Many bases granted worldwide. You've heard of Diego Garcia? Very important base, was British, now American. Plenty more.
Self-interest chiefly, not benevolence, IMO, but I for one am very grateful nevertheless. Even if my German is rather poor.