THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

better?

revel wrote:

Oftentimes I scratch my head trying to make sense of some of the post I read and this one of them.

You responded to my other post about the US decision to not participate in any international court by saying that there was was worse people in the world. I said simply that anyone can find anyone worse than themselves and that is no reason to get away with lowering previously held higher standards. In this case abiding by some kind of reasonable rule of law of which in my opinion the US has not been of late. If the world's superpower crosses over what is reasonable then that leaves the rest of the world powerless to do anything about it and that is why it should be our obligation to keep ourselves from abusing our power. I think we have abused our power (as in being a superpower of the world) by invading Iraq for no reason and by setting up such an atmosphere where abuse was allowed to flourish in the prisons of Iraq. (redefining the geneva convention and stuff like that) We have abused our power by keeping people in jail with no charge and thus no way to ever defend themselves.

That bit about finding someone more nice than us is not actually relevant.

Keep scratching your head, dear. In the real world, real world examples are part of being realistic. If there is no historical precedent for what you are asking for, than it is your ideal that you are holding us to scorn for not meeting or exceeding. Describing the best there has ever been as not the bottom of the barrel, is indicative of your obvious bias. As I pointed out, in this case, that is an anti-American bias. Saying something is irrelevant, doesn't make it so... and your non-responsive answer speaks as loudly as McTag's did earlier.

revel, I never claimed you were "for the enemy" because you disagreed with the decision to go to war with Saddam.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

... In the real world, real world examples are part of being realistic. If there is no historical precedent for what you are asking for, than it is your ideal that you are holding us to scorn for not meeting or exceeding.

Are you saying that no matter what we do; we can never be brought to be held accountable because we are morally or ethically superior to any other country in the whole written history of the world; past or present?

Bill Moyers wrote:

One of the biggest changes in politics in my lifetime is that the delusional is no longer marginal. It has come in from the fringe, to sit in the seat of power in the oval office and in Congress. For the first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of power in Washington. Theology asserts propositions that cannot be proven true; ideologues hold stoutly to a world view despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality. When ideology and theology couple, their offspring are not always bad but they are always blind ... ...

As the Jews who have not been converted are burned, the messiah will return for the rapture. ... ...

I'm not making this up. I've reported on these people, following some of them from Texas to the West Bank. They are sincere, serious, and polite as they tell you they feel called to help bring the rapture on as fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

hold a monopoly of power in Washington

hold a monopoly of power in Washington

O'Bill, I haven't non-responded, stop saying that.
I was absent for 30 hours or so and you little busy bees have put about five pages on the thread. It's very hard to keep up, and now it's past bedtime.

If the Palestinians don't like it there, they should go back to where they came from and stop bothering the natives.

Jews start ruling part of Palestine>>>
1000 BC:Saul King of Israel (all Palestine except Philistra and Phoenicia).
950 BC:Solomon King of Israel.
721 BC:Israel Destroyed, but Judaea Continues.
516 BC:2nd Temple in Judaea.
333 BC:The Greek, Alexander the Great Conquers Palestine.
<<<Jews stop ruling part of Palestine

Jews start ruling part of Palestine>>>
161 BC:Maccabaen Maximum Expansion of Judaea to All Palestine Plus.
135 BC:Maccabaen Maximum Expansion Ends.
40 BC:The Roman, Herod Conquers Palestine.
73 AD:Fall of Jerusalem and all resistance ceases.
<<<Jews stop ruling part of Palestine

Arabs start ruling part of Palestine>>>
638 AD:Arabs take Jerusalem,
1099 AD:Crusaders take Palestine.
<<<Arabs stop ruling part of Palestine

1187 AD:Saladin Takes Palestine.

It seems to be a common thing for A2K liberals to set the bar for United States far above where it's ever been set for anyone else, and then turn around and be hyper-critical when we fail to reach the unprecedented plateau. Quite simply, that's not fair. Your continued refusal to examine our performance against any comparable competition further exemplifies your anti-American bias.

Wondering here, what is a so-called liberal?
I have pretty much made clear that I am a radical liberal and am curious what a so-called liberal is so I can watch out for them. I certainly don't want to be mistake for one of them so-called liberals.

Your case is particularly difficult for me to diagnose

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Your case is particularly difficult for me to diagnose

Yeah, I imagine so. Perhaps your practice of medicine has been limited in scope and variety.

You are probably right, similes are not my strong suit I will try to cut to the chase.

I did not approve of the action to invade Iraq either because of the WMD or lack thereof, or for humanitarian reasons in some kind of forced democracy attempt, or for breaking UN resolutions or for any other reason that anyone that is for the war comes up with. However, I do approve of my country. I become highly insulted to be told that unless I approve of the decision to go to Iraq then that means I am for the enemy. (or words or implications to that effect)

better?

If the Palestinians don't like it there, they should go back to where they came from and stop bothering the natives.

McTag wrote:

O'Bill, I haven't non-responded, stop saying that.
I was absent for 30 hours or so and you little busy bees have put about five pages on the thread. It's very hard to keep up, and now it's past bedtime.

My bad, McTag. I didn't mean to come off like an A-hole.

Somehow, I seem to have missed this post (6 pages ago) altogether.

Even so, it wasn't a non-response I was referencing, but a non-responsive response (10 pages ago).
... which Cyclops took up on ya'lls behalf 13 pages ago...


Revel, Cyclops pretty much shares your view on this and he got the gist of my point like 10 pages ago. Why? He tried. Now Ican has re-worded the gist of it and frankly I'm baffled that it was even necessary. I wasn't writing in code or anything. Back here I made a simple point and apparently your distaste for the truth has lead you to go out of your way not to get it.

It seems to be a common thing for A2K liberals to set the bar for United States far above where it's ever been set for anyone else, and then turn around and be hyper-critical when we fail to reach the unprecedented plateau. Quite simply, that's not fair. Your continued refusal to examine our performance against any comparable competition further exemplifies your anti-American bias.

Again, I agree we can do better… we all do! That's no excuse to constantly put down your Nation for not meeting your unrealistic, unequalled by any other alpha, ever, standards.