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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 11:20 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Tico Wrote:
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Cycloptichorn wrote:
Nice to see you guys making light of a very probable situation involving the murder of innocents. Not surprising, however.

Cycloptichorn


I'm not "making light" of it, I just don't believe him.


Why not? What reason has he given you to doubt his word?

Cycloptichorn


Since you asked ...

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Slandering the Troops in Order to Defeat Them


http://dustinthelight.timshelarts.com/lint/000567.html
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/war.nsf/0/C521416C97C3443586256CFA0029028F?OpenDocument
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 11:47 am
McTag wrote:
No, BS it's unfortunately not. It is no longer possible for non-military christians to worship in Iraq, it's not tolerated. Many have had to flee. I can find you some links in corroboration, if pressed.
I've offered you proof that Christian persecution didn't begin with, and has nothing to do with the invasion. That there is less order in a post-war struggle is too be expected.

McTag wrote:
And, nothing I have written pretends that Iraq was a lovely place before. That, it clearly wasn't.
And, nothing I have written says that there are no people in Iraq trying to do good. That, there clearly are.
You wrote: "Before the recent invasion, Iraq was a country where various religions co-existed. Not any longer. Islamic fundamentalists have forced the others, including christians, out." This statement suggests that pre-war Iraq was tolerant of Christianity... and that is BS. It further suggests that you know what the future holds, which you don't. Any added post-war restlessness and lawlessness is to be expected and is not necessarily indicative of what the future will bring. I repeat: Religious persecution has nothing to do with the invasion. Got that?

McTag wrote:
None of that should mask the fact though, that an illegal, immoral invasion has taken place and that tens of thousands of innocent people, at a very conservative estimate, have been needlessly killed.
Bolded portion above should be replaced with "changes my opinion" and then it is a reasonable statement. "illegal", "immoral" and "needlessly" are all reflective of your opinion, NOT FACT. Repeating your opinions and discussing them with like-minded people doesn't make them fact. Idea
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 11:51 am
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1120-01.htm
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 11:53 am
http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/Iraq_Invasion_Statement.shtml
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 11:55 am
http://electroniciraq.net/news/1354.shtml
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 11:56 am
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/ilaw-m26.shtml
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 11:57 am
Illegal? YOu damn right!
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 12:23 pm
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 12:40 pm
<nudges bill>

Hey, wake up, you're snoring....
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 03:02 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
PDiddie wrote:
Man.

Bold and underlined and italicized.

Is that the same as screaming into a megaphone broadcast over a P.A. system?

I must say (no matter how loud you say it) that it is still bullshit.


He's obviously trying to get it through your thick skulls. Doesn't appear he's having much success.


Laughing BINGO! Laughing
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:00 pm
OBill

"I repeat: Religious persecution has nothing to do with the invasion. Got that?"

I disagree. Saddam, being in a minority muslim sect, suppressed religious dissent, and his brutal police suppressed persecution and held the lid down on this misbegotten mix of a country. Take away Saddam and his police, and the fundamentalist bandits have free rein, or as much as they can get away with, since there is no social cohesion nor order now. I admit, it may get better (it can hardly get worse) and true, I do not know what the future holds. But, worship in the Iraqi christian community has been stopped, and many of them have fled. Churches have been bombed. As a direct result of the invasion. Got that?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:04 pm
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/105/54.0.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:06 pm
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/002682.php
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:08 pm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33073
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:10 pm
Lots of stuff's been bombed McTag. Every radical Iraqi with an opinion is scrambling to be heard. Bandits and outlaws of all kind are no doubt doing there worst. All is to be expected. If you think Saddam protected the Christians, you are simply wrong. I have little doubt that the persecution intensified, along with EVERY other form of defiance with Saddam's removal. That is temporary and is to be expected. The persecution itself has nothing, hear me?, NOTHING to do with the invasion. That hatred beat us there.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:12 pm
Interesting link about the christians, c.i., thank you.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:21 pm
"Nothing to do with the invasion." It was an illegal 'invasion.' Nothing? Some people won't take responsibility for anything. Like the quagmire we're now in that's costing American lives and our treasure. That happened only because of our 'invasion.' If we had followed the advise of the world's governments and peoples, we won't be where we are today in Iraq. It has everything to do with the "invasion."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:22 pm
Bill

I wonder, why you obviously neglect the Assyrians in Iraq, an estimated 1.5 to 2 million of Christians, about 8 percent of the Iraqi population (which is much more than e.g. the Kurds).


As said here

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It is vital that America remain true to the principles of democracy and support all minorities in Iraq, even if they are Christian
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:45 pm
This is the statement I took issue with... because it is false:
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Before the recent invasion, Iraq was a country where various religions co-existed. Not any longer. Islamic fundamentalists have forced the others, including christians, out.


Persecution of Christians was there long before we were. Your collective desire to blame everything on the U.S. is clouding your vision.
Watch:
After the fall of Bagdad, vandals destroyed many statues around town. Is this because the U.S. spreads vandalism? Shocked Or, is it perhaps people doing what they always wanted to do in the expected chaotic aftermath of war? Idea
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2004 04:55 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Or, is it perhaps people doing what they always wanted to do in the expected chaotic aftermath of war? Idea


So these people just waited all the years for the USA to invade, bring war and choas to country, only because they wanted to destroy many statues around town. Idea
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