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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 10:41 am
As Fox said:

Foxfyre wrote:

The story is developing, but this could be the biggest scam in the history of the world.
:wink:
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 11:00 am
From the Christian science monitor:

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World > Terrorism & Security
posted November 29, 2004, updated 10:30 a.m.

'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

Quietly released Pentagon report contains major criticisms of administration.


by Tom Regan | csmonitor.com


Late on the Wednesday afternoon before the Thanksgiving holiday, the US Defense Department released a report by the Defense Science Board that is highly critical of the administration's efforts in the war on terror and in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

'Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies [the report says]. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.'

The Pentagon released the study after The New York Times ran a story about the report in its Wednesday editions.


The Defense Science Board, reports Disinfopedia, is "a Federal advisory committee established to provide independent advice to the Secretary of Defense."

'The current Board is authorized to consist of thirty-two members plus seven ex officio members': the chairmen of the Army, Navy, Air Force, Policy, Ballistic Missile Defense Advisory Committee, and Defense Intelligence Agency Science and Technology Advisory Committee. 'Members, whose appointed terms range from one to four years, are selected on the basis of their preeminence in the fields of science, technology and its application to military operations, research, engineering, manufacturing and acquisition process.'
China's Xinhuanet reported that the board's report criticized the US for failing in its efforts to communicate its military and diplomatic actions to the world, and the Muslim world in particular, "but no public relations campaign can save America from flawed policies." The report also takes the administration to task for talking about Islamic extremism in a way that offends many Muslims.
In stark contrast to the cold war, the United States today is not seeking to contain a threatening state empire, but rather seeking to convert a broad movement within Islamic civilization to accept the value structure of Western Modernity - an agenda hidden within the official rubric of a 'War on Terrorism,' [the report states].
MSNBC notes that the report, in a comment that directly goes against statements made by President Bush and senior cabinet members, says the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have united otherwise-divided Muslim extremists and given terrorists organizations like Al Qaeda a boost by "raising their stature."
In fact, Wired News reported the board as saying, the US has not only failed to separate "the vast majority of nonviolent Muslims from the radical-militant Islamist-Jihadists," but American efforts may have "achieved the opposite of what they intended."


Al Jazeera reported Thursday that the board called for the creation of a strategic communication's "apparatus" within the executive branch and "an overhaul of public diplomacy, public affairs and information dissemination efforts by the Pentagon and State Department."

If we really want to see the Muslim world as a whole [the report states], and the Arabic-speaking world in particular, move more toward our understanding of moderation and tolerance, we must reassure Muslims that this does not mean that they must submit to the American way.
As columnist Thomas Freidman of The New York Times wrote Monday in an opinion piece, the lack of planning and a 'clear channel of communication to the Muslim world' means that the US is losing the PR war to people that "saw off the heads of other Muslims."

Wars are fought for political ends. Soldiers can only do so much. And the last mile in every war is about claiming the political fruits. The bad guys in Iraq can lose every mile on every road, but if they beat America on the last mile - because they are able to intimidate better than America is able to coordinate, protect, inform, invest and motivate - they will win and America will lose.
The New York Times reported last Wednesday that although the board's report does not constitute official government policy, it captures "the essential themes of a debate that is now roiling not just the Defense Department but the entire United States government."


Hmm.

Cycloptichorn
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 11:57 am
Here's the Times article. Interesting.........

[URL=http://]Times article[/URL]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 12:01 pm
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Lola wrote:
Here's the Times article. Interesting.........

[URL=http://]Times article[/URL]


Obviously, Lola, you missed pasting the url :wink:
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 12:06 pm
Darn it, Walter........I've been instructed about this methodology, but.............looks like I need more instruction. However, since the instructor is napping at the moment.....here it is in it's entirety.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/24/politics/24info.html?position=&adxnnl=1&oref=login&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1101836860-26P/sihH1oe23jTmA5UL4Q

Sorry about that.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 02:21 pm
revel wrote:
ican711nm wrote:

I am persuaded by all of the evidence I have posted, not just the few phrases you posted, that Americans would have been left to face far greater risks by a Bush decision to not invade Iraq, than the risks Americans currently face by Bush's decision to invade Iraq.


Ican, I do not have a problem with you personally. I truly believe that you truly believe what you say. I think you think that it is justifiable for us to "defend" our nation on evidence that has not been proved because you believe that the evidence has been proven after we invaded Iraq.


I believe you are sincere as well and truly believe you believe what you say. We differ in our judgments regarding whether there was or was not sufficient evidence to support the invasion of Iraq. I say there was sufficient evidence. You say there wasn't sufficient evidence. Having discussed our individual reasons for our respective judgments thoroughly, I'd like to narrow my focus now on a general philosophical question.

Can a person or a nation afford to withhold judgment on whether or not to take a timely action, before having proof that action is justified? It's my judgment that one will generally be unable to prove an action is justified until it's too late to take that action on time. If one judges there is some evidence of a good job opportunity, but waits to take that job before having proof that opportunity is a good one, that job opportunity generally will have ceased to exist. I think this principle applies whether one is considering a job opportunity, a marriage opportunity, a child bearing opportunity, a housing opportunity, an investment opportunity, or a survival opportunity.

Risk adverse people generally require more evidence to take action than the risk inclined. In my case, when threatened I now generally require less evidence to justify defending myself than do others with whom I have been acquainted. I have early in life observed and personally learned the hardway (i.e., required excessive evidence) that tolerating being bullied encourages more bullying, and that the sooner one defeats the bully the sooner one ends the bully's bullying.

Your experience may differ from my own and consequently you may require more evidence before you take action than I do now.

revel wrote:
We did not make Iraq safer with invading it and removing Saddam Hussein. In fact he seemed to have managed to keep all those warring factions in check through sheer brute force which I didn't approve of by the way.

With all of our weapons and manpower we cannot seem to do what Saddam Hussein managed to do. It is odd.
Not yet managed to do! But we invaded Iraq 3/19/03. It's now not even two years later since Iraq's government was removed. It's my exerience that our problems in democratizing Iraq are no more severe than our seven years worth of problems in democratizing both Japan and Germany after their tyrannical (in comlete control) governments were removed. Previously Japan had never been a democracy and Germany was a democracy only once for less than 15 years. I recommend patience.

revel wrote:
We were never in danger from Iraq despite your thinking we were.
We were in at least the same al Qaeda danger from Iraq that we were in from Afghanistan. There is also no evidence Afghanistan's Taliban possessed ready-to-use WMD. But there is also no evidence that the Taliban were contemplating development of WMD like Saddam's Iraq was planning to do once UN sanctions were lifted; nor is there any evidence that the Taliban had built up thousands of munitions dumps throughout Afghanistan.

revel wrote:
For the life of me I can't see what good invading Iraq has done our country personally. I can see that removing Saddam Hussein from power so that he couldn't abuse his own citizens was a good thing, but from the standpoint of defending our nation, no I don't see it. ... I don't see how we are winning the war on terror. We may be spreading "democracy" but as far as what our goals supposedly were we are not winning.
Patience! If we don't win it we are both in trouble!
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 02:23 pm
ican-what tipped you off that this war was entirely justtified?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 02:37 pm
farmerman wrote:
ican-what tipped you off that this war was entirely justtified?
Laughing

One more time, :wink: please see
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Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:37 am CST, Post: 1040760 - Page 368
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 02:54 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Christian science monitor:
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World > Terrorism & Security
posted November 29, 2004, updated 10:30 a.m.

'They hate our policies, not our freedom'

Quietly released Pentagon report contains major criticisms of administration.


by Tom Regan | csmonitor.com

Late on the Wednesday afternoon before the Thanksgiving holiday, the US Defense Department released a report by the Defense Science Board that is highly critical of the administration's efforts in the war on terror and in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

'Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies [the report says]. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.'

The Pentagon released the study after The New York Times ran a story about the report in its Wednesday editions. ...


This discusses the real questions: How shall we proceed now to more likely end the world terrorist threat to Americans and others?. Secondarily, how shall we proceed in Afghanistan and Iraq now to more likely end their harboring of terrorists?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 03:38 pm
WSJ:
Elections or Bust
November 30, 2004; Page A18

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More than 50 Americans have just died and hundreds more were wounded correcting President Bush's decision to allow Iraqi insurgents a Fallujah safe haven back in April. So it's more than a little disheartening to hear the sudden talk of postponing by six months or more the scheduled January 30 elections, for which the second Battle of Fallujah and other recent operations were designed to pave the way.

The argument for postponement, of course, is that the insurgency in Iraq will make holding elections difficult. Of particular concern is the Sunni Triangle, and the possibility that an organized boycott or low voter turnout there will make reconciliation between Iraq's Sunnis and the resulting government more or less impossible, leading to a permanent Sunni insurgency or escalation to civil war.

But Iraq's anti-democratic forces already seem to be operating at maximum capacity, and recent coalition operations are reducing their ranks as they've lost safe havens. The last thing these terrorists should see now is that their resort to violence can force postponement of the vote. That could lead to even more violence and another delay, and then another.

It's true that the majority Shiites are likely to dominate the new parliament, but that was anticipated from the minute we decided to topple Saddam Hussein and his Sunni clique. The big story so far has been how supportive most Shiites have been of coalition purposes, especially Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, who disavows any religious rule and insists only on a free and fair vote.

The danger is that any significant postponement will shift Shiite sentiment in the direction of more radical voices -- Moqtada al-Sadr's or others'. Moreover, if the Iranians are looking for a pretext to increase the scale and effectiveness of their meddling in Iraq, delayed elections would be it.

The forces calling for delay, meanwhile, include many with agendas beyond more Sunni participation. They include the usual suspects at the United Nations and the Arab League, whose regional leaders hardly want a real democracy in Iraq forcing them to speed up reform at home. It also hasn't escaped notice in Iraq that a number of the parties who signed last week's statement calling for a six-month delay are U.S. favorites whose political fortunes stand to suffer when a real vote is held.

They include Adnan Pachachi, a State Department protege and a Sunni who was among those demanding that the Marines stand down in Fallujah last April. There are also the two Kurdish leaders, Massoud Barzani and Jalal Talabani, who have been valuable allies but whose power could diminish with elections and who would like more time to consolidate Kurdish control over the disputed city of Kirkuk. Finally, there is the Iraqi National Accord headed by interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.

Mr. Allawi has done much to distinguish himself as a spokesman for the new Iraq and a leader willing to make tough decisions. But he didn't start with much of a domestic constituency and he has angered many in his own Shiite community by bringing Baathists back into positions of power. Iraqis (like others in the region) have a conspiratorial mindset to begin with, and it would be unwise in the extreme for the U.S. to play to stereotype with a delay that smacks of an attempt to keep the CIA's favored leader in power.

The Prime Minister has since pledged elections on time, but in more equivocal terms than we'd like. The White House has also said it intends to meet the January 30 date, but it could also stand to be more emphatic. The "senior administration official" who allowed himself to be quoted in yesterday's New York Times that "it would be foolish to guarantee that we'll make" the deadline may deserve honesty points in some parallel universe. But he obviously hasn't learned the importance of projecting resolve to reassure the Iraqis who will be risking their lives to pull this election off.

Over the weekend Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih summed up the bottom line nicely, saying that while it would be a real challenge to hold elections on time, delay would be worse because it would have "serious ramifications to the political process" and bolster the Baathists and terrorists. As for Iraq's Sunnis generally, the way to get them on board is not to cede them effective veto power but to give those among them who want to participate the prospect of a real legislative presence. Any elected Shiite majority will be able to succeed only if it recognizes minority rights, which the Kurds as well as the Sunnis will be demanding.

In our view, two of the largest U.S. mistakes in handling post-Saddam Iraq were ceding insurgent safe havens, and gambling recklessly with the allegiance of the majority Shiites by delaying democracy and dabbling in re-Baathification. We got a second chance to deal with Fallujah. But one more delay in moving to a democratically legitimate government could set in motion events from which we might not recover. A January 30 (or thereabouts) vote, however imperfect the conditions, is the most responsible option.


URL for this article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110177690675886293,00.html
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 04:55 pm
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...But the one company that helped Saddam exploit the oil-for-food program in the mid-1990s that wasn't identified in Duelfer's report was Halliburton, and the person at the helm of Halliburton at the time of the scheme was Vice President Dick Cheney. Halliburton and its subsidiaries were one of several American and foreign oil supply companies that helped Iraq increase its crude exports from $4 billion in 1997 to nearly $18 billion in 2000 by skirting U.S. laws and selling Iraq spare parts so it could repair its oil fields and pump more oil. Since the oil-for-food program began, Iraq has sold $40 billion worth of oil. U.S. and European officials have long argued that the increase in Iraq's oil production also expanded Saddam's ability to use some of that money for weapons, luxury goods and palaces. Security Council diplomats estimate that Iraq was skimming off as much as 10 percent of the proceeds from the oil-for-food program thanks to companies like Halliburton and former executives such as Cheney.

U.N. documents show that Halliburton's affiliates have had controversial dealings with the Iraqi regime during Cheney's tenure at the company and played a part in helping Saddam Hussein illegally pocket billions of dollars under the U.N.'s oil-for-food program. The Clinton administration blocked one deal Halliburton was trying to push through sale because it was "not authorized under the oil-for-food deal," according to U.N. documents. That deal, between Halliburton subsidiary Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co. and Iraq, included agreements by the firm to sell nearly $1 million in spare parts, compressors and firefighting equipment to refurbish an offshore oil terminal, Khor al Amaya. Still, Halliburton used one of foreign
subsidiaries to sell Iraq the equipment it needed so the country could pump more oil, according to a report in the Washington Post in June 2001.

The Halliburton subsidiaries, Dresser-Rand and Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co., sold water and sewage treatment pumps, spare parts for oil facilities and pipeline equipment to Baghdad through French affiliates from the first half of 1997 to the summer of 2000, U.N. records show. Ingersoll Dresser Pump also signed contracts -- later blocked by the United States -- according to the Post, to help repair an Iraqi oil terminal that U.S.-led military forces destroyed in the Gulf War years earlier.

Cheney's hard-line stance against Iraq on the campaign trail is hypocritical considering that during his tenure as chief executive of Halliburton, Cheney pushed the U.N. Security Council, after he became CEO to end an 11-year embargo on sales of civilian goods, including oil related equipment, to Iraq. Cheney has said sanctions against countries like Iraq unfairly punish U.S. companies...



It is amazing to me the stuff they just keep getting away with. The total nerve and hypocrisy is what gets me.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 05:05 pm
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We were in at least the same al Qaeda danger from Iraq that we were in from Afghanistan


The taliban were refusing to give up Bin Laden, the head of Al Qaeda who was behind 9/11. We went into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden "dead or alive." There was a clear reason to go into Afghanistan which is why we had no trouble getting support for the effort. When something is just it normally easy to see it and don't have to be explained, justified, and defended endlessly.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 05:09 pm
revel wrote:
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...But the one company that helped Saddam exploit the oil-for-food program in the mid-1990s that wasn't identified in Duelfer's report was Halliburton........Cheney has said sanctions against countries like Iraq unfairly punish U.S. companies...

It is amazing to me the stuff they just keep getting away with. The total nerve and hypocrisy is what gets me.


Why do you believe this twiddle is true? If you recognized it for what it is, falsity propaganda, it wouldn't get you. For example it incorporates what was once true over ten years ago with what is alleged to be true now, and thereby leads the unwary reader to false inferences about what is true now.

If you want to convince me Chenney and Bush are both bunglers, I won't argue. I have some of my own evidence to suport that belief. But if you want to convince me Chenney and Bush are swindlers or worse, I have zero evidence to support that belief so supply me some. Opinion from WFNA is not evidence.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 05:14 pm
revel wrote:
Quote:
We were in at least the same al Qaeda danger from Iraq that we were in from Afghanistan


The taliban were refusing to give up Bin Laden, the head of Al Qaeda who was behind 9/11. We went into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden "dead or alive." There was a clear reason to go into Afghanistan which is why we had no trouble getting support for the effort. When something is just it normally easy to see it and don't have to be explained, justified, and defended endlessly.


Saddam refused to give up Zarqawi in Iraq, despite three attempts to convince him to do just that.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 05:17 pm
November 29, 2004, 8:22 a.m.
Collapsing the Triangle of Death
Burning out the bad guys below Baghdad
By W. Thomas Smith Jr.

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"We're starting to suffocate them, and they're panicking"
— Col. Ron Johnson, commander of the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, on the reaction of enemy forces in Iraq's Triangle of Death

In an isolated region of the Iraqi backcountry, said to be "the worst place in the world," thousands of Coalition troops are systematically wresting control of weapons caches and staging areas from insurgent forces falling back from recent defeats in Fallujah and elsewhere in the Sunni Triangle.

The operation, code-named "Plymouth Rock" (because it was launched Thanksgiving week), began last Tuesday when Coalition forces struck enemy forces in the town of Jabella, some 50 miles south of Baghdad. The strike was followed by a series of precision raids — conducted by a 5,000-man combined force of U.S. Marines, members of the famed British Black Watch regiment, and Iraqi soldiers — aimed at cleaning out a region of southern Baghdad and northern Babil Province known as the Triangle of Death. The triangle — its three points connecting at Fallujah, Baghdad, and then south to Najaf — is located just below the Sunni Triangle where the Coalition has focused much of its efforts over the past several months.

If not the "worst place in the world," the Triangle of Death — so-named because of its profusion of bombings, kidnappings, execution-style killings of civilians, and overall banditry — is certainly one of the most dangerous in Iraq. For months, the region's isolated towns and unsecured highways have served as a permeable haven for Iraqi criminals and terrorists. Recently, the region has been a point of refuge for embattled guerilla forces escaping south from thrusting U.S. forces in Fallujah.

Operating in an environment that more closely resembles the American Wild West of the 19th century than the tightly packed urban centers of Samarra and Fallujah, has forced some units to re-tool their battle plan. That's not a problem for tactically flexible U.S. and British forces, and they are training Iraqi security forces to be equally adaptable.

"This is not a Fallujah-like mass assault, marked by determined resistance and heavy fighting," Capt. David Nevers, spokesman for the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit (24th MEU), tells NRO. "The environment here south of Baghdad is very different, requiring a different approach. Our operations are surgical rather than sweeping in nature, more precision than mass."

In the Triangle of Death, Coalition raids have been characterized by collecting and processing intelligence on a specific enemy stronghold, planning a raid, then attacking that stronghold with a modicum of surprise by units trained to fight both as shock-troops and room-clearing commandos. In nearly all cases, large numbers of insurgents have been killed or captured, weapons caches seized, and new intelligence gleaned which serves planners for the next raid on the next town.

It's not an easy task. An estimated 6,000 insurgents — former members of Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard, followers of Abu Masub Al Zarqawi who slipped through the Fallujah net, as well as unemployed locals or those coerced into fighting the Americans — are believed to be operating in the region.

Still, the success of Plymouth Rock has been overwhelming. And much of that success can be attributed to the Iraqi SWAT team (see here), a U.S. Marine-trained police-commando force that reportedly leaves postcard-size calling cards at raid sites that say, "Are You a Criminal or Terrorist? You Will Face Punishment."

Capt. Thomas "Tad" Douglas, commander of the Marine Force Reconnaissance platoon that has trained and led the Iraq SWAT team since July, points to a bond between his Marines and the Iraqi commandos that is as strong as any found in any elite unit in the world. With that combined force "we are taking advantage of the enemy while he's reeling from Fallujah to push the fight to them," Douglas told NRO on Thanksgiving Day. "We conducted a combined ground/air assault yesterday with my Force Recon guys and Hillah SWAT [the Iraqi SWAT team is also known as Al Hillah SWAT because most of the team members are from the town of Al Hillah], and it went off flawlessly, netting us 43 detainees."

Douglas, a key leader in the dramatic rescue of Army Pvt. Jessica Lynch in April 2003, added, "To my knowledge, this is one of the first successful joint Iraqi/American air assaults."

Col. Ron Johnson, commander of the 24th MEU, tells NRO that the operations have been seamless and effective. "We can tell by the reaction of the enemy," he says. "We can tell by the increase in their activity, for example the fever pitch at which they're laying IEDs [improvised explosive devices]. We're starting to suffocate them, and they're panicking. We have a large target list, and we're going to continue to stay after them."

On Thanksgiving Day, elements of the 24th MEU, the 1st battalion of Britain's Black Watch, and the Iraqi SWAT team attacked a number of targets near Yusufiyah, netting 81 guerrillas (55 bad guys for the Americans and Iraqis, 26 for the British).

"Iraqi security forces, Marines and British soldiers, with close air support provided by Marine aircraft, moved swiftly to their targets, rounding up the suspected insurgents," says Johnson. "At least a couple dozen were of intelligence value. We collected multiple weapons systems, including IED-making materials. The extent of the coordination between forces that have been working together only a short time was unparalleled."

Early Saturday, the Iraqi SWAT team and the 2nd Ministry of Interior Commando Battalion (also an Iraqi special operations team), supported by U.S. Marines, descended on an insurgent stronghold near Lutafiyah. The raiders captured nine suspects and gathered fresh intelligence that led to a second raid on two houses later in the day. Eight suspects were detained in the second raid.

"If the insurgents thought they were going to catch a break after their pummeling in Fallujah, they're going to be disappointed," says Nevers. "They're reeling and scrambling for new sanctuaries, and by staying in the attack, we and the Iraqi security forces south of Baghdad will deny them any reprieve."

He adds, "This fight requires patience and persistence, and we have it in abundance. Time is on our side, not the enemy's. With each passing day, the Iraqi security forces get stronger and the day the Iraqi people are in full control of their destiny draws nearer."


— A former U.S. Marine infantry leader and paratrooper, W. Thomas Smith Jr. is a freelance journalist and the author of four books, including the Alpha Bravo Delta Guide to American Airborne Forces.

This is opinion too. But perhaps it's expert opinion.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 07:08 pm
This article attempts to define the real problems we face. It does not specify specific ways to solve these problems. It does not treat the determination of whether Bush is or is not a swindler as one of those problems. I plead that all here read and study this article despite its length. It's worth the effort.

The 21st Annual
John Bonython Lecture

The Grand Hyatt, Melbourne
Tuesday 9 November 2004

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The Crisis of Legitimacy: America and the World

Robert Kagan <http://www.cis.org.au/Events/JBL/#Fukuyama>


CLASHING VIEWS

"What kind of world order do we want?" asked Joschka Fischer , Germany 's foreign minister, on the eve of the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March 2003. That this question remains on the minds of many Europeans today is a telling sign of the differences that separate the two sides of the Atlantic -- because most Americans have not pondered the question of world order since the war.

They will have to. The great transatlantic debate over Iraq was rooted in deep disagreement over world order. Yes, Americans and Europeans debated whether Saddam Hussein posed a serious threat and whether war was the right way to deal with it. A solid majority of Americans answered yes to both questions, while even larger majorities of Europeans answered no. Yet these disagreements reflected more than just differing tactical and analytical assessments of the situation in Iraq. As Dominique de Villepin, France 's foreign minister, put it, the struggle was less about Iraq than it was between "two visions of the world." The differences over Iraq were not only about policy. They were also about first principles.

Opinion polls taken before, during, and after the war show two peoples living on separate strategic and ideological planets. Whereas more than 80 percent of Americans believe that war can sometimes achieve justice, less than half of Europeans agree. Americans and Europeans disagree about the role of international law and international institutions and about the nebulous but critical question of what confers legitimacy on international action. These diverging world views predate the Iraq war and the presidency of George W. Bush, although both may have deepened and hardened the transatlantic rift into an enduring feature of the international landscape.

At the beginning of 2003, before the Iraq war, the transatlantic gulf was plainly visible. What was less clear then was how significant it would turn out to be for the world as a whole.

Today, a great philosophical schism has opened within the West, and mutual antagonism threatens to debilitate both sides of the transatlantic community. At a time when new dangers and crises are proliferating rapidly, this schism could have serious consequences. For Europe and the United States to come apart strategically is bad enough. But what if their differences over world order infect the rest of what we have known as the liberal West? Will the West still be the West?

A few years ago, such questions were unthinkable. After the Cold War, the political theorist Francis Fukuyama assumed along with the rest of us that at the end of history the world's liberal democracies would live in relative harmony. Because they share liberal principles, these democracies would "have no grounds on which to contest each other's legitimacy." Conflicts might divide the West from the rest, but not the West itself. That reasonable assumption has now been thrown into doubt, for it is precisely the question of legitimacy that divides Americans and Europeans today -- not the legitimacy of each other's political institutions, perhaps, but the legitimacy of their respective visions of world order. More to the point, for the first time since World War II, a majority of Europeans has come to doubt the legitimacy of U.S. power and of U.S. global leadership.

The United States cannot ignore this problem. The struggle to define and obtain international legitimacy in this new era may prove to be among the most critical contests of our time. In some ways, it is as significant in determining the future of the U.S. role in the international system as any purely material measure of power and influence.

THREE PILLARS

Contrary to much mythologizing on both sides of the Atlantic these days, the foundations of U.S. legitimacy during the Cold War had little to do with the fact that the United States helped create the UN or faithfully abided by the precepts of international law laid out in the organization's charter. Rather, U.S. legitimacy among Europeans rested on three pillars, all based on the existence of the Soviet communist empire. The sturdiest pillar was Europe 's perception that the Soviet Union posed a strategic threat to the West -- a reality made manifest by hundreds of thousands of Soviet troops parked in the center of Europe -- and its understanding that only Washington possessed the power to deter Moscow . Europeans also perceived the Soviet Union as a common ideological threat. The United States prided itself on being the "leader of the free world," and most Europeans agreed. Finally, Cold War bipolarity conferred what might be called "structural legitimacy" on the United States . The two superpowers' roughly equal strength meant that U.S. might, although vast, was kept in check. This is not to say that Europeans welcomed Soviet military power on the continent, but many implicitly understood that the existence of Soviet conventional and nuclear power acted as a restraint on Washington . Charles de Gaulle's France , Willy Brandt's Germany , and other states relished the small measure of independence from U.S. dominance that the superpower balance gave them.

When the Cold War ended, the pillars of U.S. legitimacy collapsed along with the Berlin Wall and Lenin's statues. There has been little to replace them with since. Radical, militant Islamism, however potent when manifested as terrorism, has not replaced communism as an ideological threat to Western liberal democracy. Nor have the more diffuse and opaque threats of the post-Cold War era replaced the massive Soviet threat as a source of legitimacy for U.S. power. Most Europeans never fully shared Washington 's concerns about weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq , Iran , and North Korea -- not during the Clinton administration, and not since. Nor do they share its post-September 11 alarm over the possible nexus between WMD and international terrorism. Rightly or wrongly, Europeans do not believe that those weapons will be aimed at them. To the extent that they do worry, moreover, most Europeans do not look to the United States to protect them anymore. They live in their geopolitical paradise, without fear of the jungles beyond. They no longer welcome those who guard the gates. Instead, they ask, Who will guard the guards?

THE UNIPOLAR PREDICAMENT

What might be called "the unipolar predicament," therefore, is not the product of any specific U.S. policy or of a particular U.S. administration. With the end of the Cold War, unprecedented U.S. global power itself has become the critical issue, one with which Europeans and Americans have only begun to grapple. "What do we do," Fischer asked after the Iraq war began, "when ... our most important partner is making decisions that we consider extremely dangerous?" What indeed? The question is relatively new, because Europe 's loss of control over U.S. actions is relatively new too. During the Cold War, even a dominant United States was compelled to listen to Europe , if only because U.S. policy at the time sought above all else to protect and strengthen Europe . Today, Europe has lost much of that influence. It is too weak to be an essential ally but too secure to be a potential victim. That is why Europeans are now concerned about unconstrained U.S. power and about regaining some control over how it is exercised. Long accustomed to helping shape the world, Europeans do not want to sit back now and let the United States do all the driving, especially when they believe that it is driving dangerously.

Aside from signaling Europe 's demotion, the unipolar predicament also raises fundamental issues about world order today. Above all, it tests the United States ' political and moral legitimacy. The modern liberal mind is offended by the notion that a single world power may be unfettered except by its own sense of restraint. No matter how diplomatically adept a U.S. president might be, the spirit of liberal democracy recoils at the idea of hegemonic dominance, even when it is exercised benignly. Well before the Bush administration proved so maladroit at reassuring even Washington 's closest allies, other post-Cold War administrations faced mounting anxiety about growing U.S. dominance. In the 1990s, as Clinton and Madeleine Albright were proudly dubbing the United States the "indispensable nation," the foreign ministers of China , France , and Russia were declaring the U.S.-led unipolar world dangerous and unjust. Samuel Huntington warned about the "arrogance" and "unilateralism" of U.S. policies when Bush was still governor of Texas .

Europe 's worst fears became real with September 11, 2001 . After the attacks, the Bush administration and Americans in general became unabashed about wielding U.S. power primarily in defense of their own, newly endangered vital interests. Europe 's initial support for the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan and NATO's historic invocation of the right collectively to defend the United States were aimed in part at ensuring that Europe would have some say over the U.S. response to the terrorist attacks. It is no wonder, then, that Washington 's apparent indifference to these offers of assistance was so troubling to Europeans.

When the United States began to look beyond Afghanistan , toward Iraq and the "axis of evil," Europeans realized they had lost control. It became clear that the bargain underlying transatlantic cooperation during the Cold War had become inverted. Whereas once the United States risked its own safety to defend the vital interests of a threatened Europe , a threatened United States was now looking out for itself in apparent, and sometimes genuine, disregard for what many Europeans perceived to be their moral, political, and security interests.

U.S. hegemony has been an especially vexing problem for Europeans because there is so little they can do about it. Hopes that a multipolar regime might emerge have faded since the 1990s. Almost everyone concedes today that U.S. power will be nearly impossible to match for decades. And the states most likely to become its competitors, China and Russia , do not present an attractive alternative for most Europeans. Meanwhile, Europe 's own military capabilities continue to decline relative to those of the United States . France 's ambitions to create a European counterweight to the United States are constantly overwhelmed by the more powerful postmodern European aversion to military power, power politics, and the very idea of the balance of power. Such aspirations have been checked, too, by fears of alienating the powerful United States , by widespread suspicion in Europe of France's "soft" hegemonism, and by lingering fears of renewed German power.

In the end, however, Europeans have not sought to counter U.S. hegemony in the usual, power-oriented fashion, because they do not find U.S. hegemony threatening in the traditional power-oriented way. Not all global hegemons are equally frightening. U.S. power, as Europeans well know, does not imperil Europe 's security or even its autonomy. Europeans do not fear that the United States will seek to control them; they fear that they have lost control over the United States and, by extension, over the direction of world affairs.

If the United States is suffering a crisis of legitimacy, then, it is in large part because Europe wants to regain some measure of control over Washington 's behavior. The vast majority of Europeans objected to the U.S. invasion of Iraq not simply because they opposed the war. They objected also because U.S. willingness to go to war without the Security Council's approval -- that is, without Europe 's approval -- challenged both Europe 's world view and its ability to exercise even a modicum of influence in the new unipolar system.

Europeans believe that legitimacy is an asset they have in abundance. In the new geopolitical jostling with the United States , they see it as their comparative advantage -- the great equalizer in an otherwise lopsided relationship. The EU, most of its members believe, enjoys a natural legitimacy, simply by virtue of being a collective body. The United States needs Europe , argues Javier Solana, the secretary-general of the EU Council, because Europe is "a partner with the legitimacy that comes through the collective action of a union of twenty-five sovereign states." In a modern liberal world, this legitimacy can be wielded as a substitute for other types of power and bartered for influence. In return for a greater say in world affairs and over the exercise of U.S. power, the argument goes, Europe can give the United States the legitimacy it now lacks.

Americans cannot afford to dismiss the proposal out of hand, as much as some might wish to do so. Invading Iraq and trying to reconstruct it without the broad benediction of Europe has not been a particularly happy experience, even if the United States eventually succeeds. It is clear that Americans cannot ignore the question of legitimacy, and it is clear that they cannot provide legitimacy for themselves. Where, then, should they look to find it?

LEGITIMACY MYTHS

Since the United States first began openly contemplating the invasion of Iraq , Europe 's answer has been to look to the Security Council. "The United Nations is the place where international rules and legitimacy are founded," de Villepin declared before the Security Council in March 2003, "because it speaks in the name of peoples." But is the Security Council really the ultimate depositary of international legitimacy, as Europeans insist today? International life would be simpler if it were. But it is not. Ever since the UN's creation almost six decades ago, the Security Council has failed to function as the UN's more idealistic founders intended. And it has never been accepted as the sole source of international legitimacy, not even by Europeans. Europe 's recent demand that the United States seek UN authorization for the Iraq war, and presumably for all future wars, was a novel -- even revolutionary -- proposition.

During the four decades of the Cold War, the Security Council was paralyzed by implacable hostility between its two strongest veto-wielding members. Only after the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War was it even possible to imagine that the Security Council might function as the sole source of international authority and legitimacy. Still, it has not. The Security Council did function on occasion, but most observers agree that its authority weakened rather than strengthened over the first decade after the Cold War. In 1994, for example, the Clinton administration sent troops to Haiti without the Security Council's authorization, which came only after the fact. In 1998, it bombed Iraq in Operation Desert Fox over the strong objections France and Russia expressed before the Security Council.

By no means are Americans the only culprits in acting without UN approval: Europeans also bypass the Security Council when it suits their purposes. In Kosovo, for example, it was the Europeans who (along with the United States ) went to war without obtaining the Security Council's legitimizing sanction. And that did not prevent them from arguing at the time, and since, that the Kosovo war was legitimate. They believed that they had a particular moral responsibility to prevent another genocide on the continent and a special license to go to war to stop it. According to Fisher, one of war's strongest proponents in 1999, in this case history and morality trumped traditional principles of state sovereignty and nonintervention.

But exceptions can be deadly, especially when they are used to sidestep norms as fragile and often-violated as international laws on the use of force. The fact remains that the Kosovo war was illegal, and not only because it lacked Security Council authorization: Serbia had not committed any aggression against another state but was slaughtering its own ethnic Albanian population. The intervention therefore violated the sovereign equality of all nations, a cardinal principle -- perhaps the cardinal principle -- of the UN Charter and the bedrock principle of international law for centuries. During the Kosovo conflict, Henry Kissinger warned that "the abrupt abandonment of the concept of national sovereignty" risked unmooring the world from any notion of order, legal or otherwise. Many Europeans rejected this complaint at the time. Back then -- just four years before the Iraq war -- they did not seem to believe that international legitimacy resided exclusively with the Security Council, or in the UN Charter, or even in traditional principles of international law. Instead they believed in the legitimacy of their common postmodern moral values.

When the United States and some of its allies went to war against Saddam Hussein in March 2003, not much had changed. The principle that the Security Council alone could authorize the use of force had not been established, not even by the Europeans themselves. Secretary of State Colin Powell could well argue, as he did in October 2003, that the United States and its supporters possessed the "authority to intervene in Iraq ... just as we did in Kosovo." Yet these days, most Europeans and some Americans argue that, by invading Iraq without the Security Council's approval, the United States has torn the fabric of the international order. In doing so they overlook that the fabric of this hoped-for international order has yet to be knit. And they forget that if such an international order did exist, Europe would already have undermined it in 1999.

The point here is not to catch Europeans contradicting themselves. If their definition of legitimacy has proved conveniently flexible in recent years, it is because legitimacy is a genuinely elusive and malleable concept. Discovering where legitimacy lies at any given moment in history is an art, not a science reducible to the reading of international legal documents. That is a serious challenge for the modern liberalism that animates the United States and Europe alike. Recent crises such as those in Kosovo and Iraq have shown that the search for legitimacy creates a fundamental dilemma for liberalism and liberal internationalism.

The problem is that the modern liberal vision of progress in international affairs has always been bifocal. On the one hand, liberalism has entertained since the Enlightenment a vision of world peace based on an ever-strengthening international legal system. The success of such a system rests on the recognition that all nations, big or small, democratic or tyrannical, humane or barbarous, are equal sovereign entities. On the other hand, modern liberalism cherishes the rights and liberties of the individual and defines progress as the greater protection of these rights and liberties across the globe. In the absence of a sudden global democratic and liberal transformation, that goal can be achieved only by compelling tyrannical or barbarous regimes to behave more humanely, sometimes through force.

Given the tension between these two aspirations, what constitutes international legitimacy will inevitably be a matter of dispute within the liberal world. This is a problem for all modern liberals. But it is a particularly difficult one for Europeans. Although many Europeans now claim to define international legitimacy as strict obedience to the UN Charter and the Security Council, the union they have created transcends the UN's exclusive focus on national sovereignty. The postmodern European order rests on an entirely different political and moral foundation than the one on which the UN was erected. At the time of the Kosovo war, Blair argued that Europe must fight "for a new internationalism where the brutal repression of ethnic groups will not be tolerated [and] for a world where those responsible for crimes will have nowhere to hide." If this is the "new internationalism," then the "old internationalism" of the UN Charter is dead. Europeans may have to choose which version of liberal internationalism they really intend to pursue. Whether they do so or not, however, they must at least recognize that the two paths diverge.

For Americans, the choice is likely to be less difficult. By nature, tradition, and ideology, the United States has generally favored the promotion of liberal principles over the niceties of Westphalian diplomacy. Despite its role in helping to create the UN and draft the UN Charter, the United States has never fully accepted the organization's legitimacy or the charter's doctrine of sovereign equality. Although fiercely protective of its own autonomy, the United States has reserved for itself the right to intervene anywhere and everywhere, generally in the name of defending the cause of liberalism.

In this sense, the United States is and always has been a revolutionary power, a sometimes unwitting -- but nevertheless persistent -- disturber of the status quo, wherever its influence grows. For Europeans, who are consumed with radical changes on their own continent and seek a predictable future in the world beyond, the United States has once again become a dangerous member of the society of nations.

FAREWELL, WESTPHALIA

The problem of legitimacy is a good deal more complex today because the emergence of a unipolar era coincided with two other historical developments: the proliferation of WMD and the rise of international terrorism, both of which seem more threatening to Americans than to Europeans. It is the Bush administration's response to these developments, including the doctrine of "preemption" ("prevention" would be a more accurate term), that has caused the greatest uproar. It has prompted many Europeans, and many others around the world, to call the United States ' willingness to take preventive action a prime example of the superpower's disregard for international law and the international order -- stark evidence of its new illegitimacy.

But a more compelling way to assess the Bush doctrine is to ask whether new international circumstances might not be forcing Americans, as well as Europeans and even the UN secretary-general, to reexamine traditional international legal principles and definitions of legitimacy. Even before the Bush administration publicly enunciated its policy of preventive war in 2002, a growing body of opinion in both the United States and Europe was arguing that preventive action might at times be necessary to meet new international threats, even if it violated state sovereignty, prohibitions against intervention, and other traditional legal norms. Thinkers as diverse as Michael Walzer and Henry Kissinger concluded that principles left over from Westphalia were inadequate to deal with today's challenges. Even Kofi Annan has suggested that UN members consider developing "criteria for an early authorization of coercive measures to address certain types of threats -- for instance, terrorist groups armed with weapons of mass destruction."

Given this growing, if unrecognized, convergence of opinion, the real issue may not be whether prevention is ever justified but rather who may do the preventing and who decides when, where, and how it is handled. In this matter as in many others, Europe objects less to U.S. actions than to what it perceives to be their unilateral character. The dispute over preventive war is, in other words, little more than a restatement of America 's unipolar predicament: how can the world's sole superpower be controlled?

WHAT MULTILATERALISM?

Most Europeans would argue that if the United States seeks to gain international legitimacy for any use of force, it must avoid acting alone and it must embrace a foreign policy of multilateralism. Most Americans would gladly agree -- so long as they did not look too closely at what Europeans mean by the term.

When Americans speak of "multilateralism," they mean a policy that actively solicits and tries to gain the support of allies. For Europeans, however, "multilateralism" has a more formal and legalistic cast. It is a means of gaining legitimate sanction from duly constituted international bodies before undertaking any action; it is an essential prerequisite for action. A recent poll showed that, whereas a majority of Americans would bypass the Security Council if U.S. vital interests were threatened, a majority of Europeans would follow a Security Council decision, even at the cost of their nation's vital interests. At least so Europeans claim today, after the Iraq war. Of course in 1999, when the issue was Kosovo, they felt differently.

And why, exactly, did so many Europeans believe the United States acted unilaterally in Iraq last year? After all, the United States invaded Iraq not alone, but with a number of international partners, including such prominent members of the EU as the United Kingdom , Poland , and Spain . In some sense, then, its action was "multilateral," even without a UN authorization, just as the Kosovo war was multilateral even though the Security Council had not approved it.

When the United States invaded Iraq , the Europeans set a new, high, but shaky standard for international legitimacy. "The authority of our action," de Villepin declared in his famous speech to the Security Council in February 2003, had to be based "on the unity of the international community." But what does that mean? Can no action be legitimate without the unanimous consent of the entire international community? Or is "unity" something less than unanimity and a notion with a shifting definition?

The United States enjoyed the support of dozens of nations for its war in Iraq , but that, according to de Villepin and many other Europeans, was not enough. What magic number, if any, would have conferred legitimacy? Would the support of certain critical allies have satisfied the test? It is difficult to imagine that Europeans would have called the U.S. action in Iraq unilateral if France , Germany , and the United Kingdom had supported it but not China or Russia . (After all, they did not think their own war in Kosovo was unilateral simply because Russia and much of the developing world opposed it.) Is that to say that France 's support is worth more than Spain 's? "Legitimacy depends on creating a wide international consensus," Solana insists. But how wide is wide? And who decides what is wide enough? The answers to such questions are inevitably subjective -- far too subjective to serve as the basis for any rules-based international order.

It is difficult not to conclude, therefore, that when Europeans and American critics call the war in Iraq unilateral, they do not really mean that the United States lacked broad international support. They mean instead that the United States lacked broad support in Europe , and more specifically, in France and Germany . The Bush administration was "unilateralist" not because it lost the support of Beijing , Brasília, Kuala Lumpur , Moscow , and dozens of other capitals but because it lost the support of Paris and Berlin .

In the end, what Washington 's critics really resented was that it would not and could not be constrained, even by its closest friends. From the perspective of Berlin and Paris , the United States was unilateralist because no European power had any real influence over it. From this perspective, even with a hundred nations and three-quarters of Europe on its side, the United States might still have lacked legitimacy. Today's debate over multilateralism and legitimacy is thus not only about principles of law, or even about the supreme authority of the UN; it is also about a transatlantic struggle for influence. It is Europe 's response to the unipolar predicament.

THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING LEGITIMATE

Americans might be tempted, therefore, to dismiss the debate over legitimacy as a ruse and a fraud. They should not, however. There are indeed sound reasons for the United States to seek European approval. But they are unrelated to international law, the authority of the Security Council, and the as-yet nonexistent fabric of the international order. Europe matters because it and the United States form the heart of the liberal, democratic world. The United States ' liberal, democratic sensibilities make it difficult, if not impossible, for Americans to ignore the fears, concerns, interests, and demands of their fellows in liberal democracies. U.S. liberalism will naturally drive U.S. foreign policy to seek greater harmony with Europe .

The alternative course would be difficult for the United States to sustain. It is unclear whether the United States can operate effectively over time without the moral support and approval of the democratic world. That is not, however, for the reasons usually cited. Most U.S. advocates of multilateralism insist that the United States needs the material cooperation of its allies. But it is an open question whether the United States can "go it alone" in a material sense. Militarily, it can and does go it virtually alone, even when the Europeans are fully on board, as in Kosovo and in the Persian Gulf War. Economically, it can go it alone too if it must, as with the reconstruction of places such as Iraq . (Five decades ago, after all, it rebuilt Europe and Japan with its own funds.) It is more doubtful, however, whether the American people will continue to support both military actions and the burdens of postwar occupations in the face of constant charges of illegitimacy by the United States ' closest democratic allies.

Because losing legitimacy with fellow democracies would be debilitating -- perhaps even paralyzing -- over time, Americans cannot ignore their unipolar predicament. The biggest failure of the Bush administration may be that it was too slow to recognize this truth. Bush and his advisers came to office guided by the narrow realism that dominated Republican foreign policy circles during the Clinton years. But the unipolar predicament and the U.S. character require a much more expansive definition of U.S. interests. The United States can neither appear to be acting, nor in fact act, as if only its self-interest mattered. The United States , in short, must pursue legitimacy in the manner truest to its nature: by promoting the principles of liberal democracy not only as a means to greater security but as an end in itself. Success would bring it a measure of authority in the liberal, democratic world, including among Europeans, who cannot forever ignore their own vision of a more humane world, even if these days they are more preoccupied with strengthening the international legal order.

The United States ' conduct in Iraq today is especially important in this regard. At stake is the future not only of Iraq and the Middle East more generally but also of the United States ' reputation, its reliability, and its legitimacy as a world leader. The United States will be judged -- as it should be -- by the care and commitment it takes to secure a democratic peace in Iraq . It will be judged by whether it indeed advances the cause of liberalism, there and elsewhere, or whether it merely defends its own interests.

In promoting liberalism, the United States cannot fail to take account of the interests and fears of its liberal democratic allies in Europe . It should try to fulfill its part of a new transatlantic bargain by granting Europeans some influence over the exercise of its power -- provided that, in turn, Europeans wield that influence wisely. NATO, an alliance of and for liberal democracies, could be the forum of such a bargain. The United States has already ceded influence to European states in NATO: they vote on an equal footing with the superpower in all of the alliance's deliberations. For decades, NATO has been the one organization capable of reconciling U.S. hegemony with European autonomy and influence. Even today, its members retain a sentimental attraction for Americans more potent than their attraction for the UN.

The challenge for the United States will be to cede some power to Europe without putting U.S. security, as well as the security of Europe and the entire liberal democratic world, at risk. Even with the best of intentions, the United States cannot enlist Europe 's cooperation if the two regions disagree over the nature of today's global threats and the means to counter them. This gap in perception has driven the United States and Europe apart in the post-Cold War world, and it is difficult to imagine how the United States ' crisis of legitimacy could be resolved so long as this schism persists.

What, then, is the United States to do? Should Americans, in the interest of transatlantic harmony, adjust their perceptions of global threats to match that of their European friends? To do so would be irresponsible. U.S. security and the security of the liberal democratic world depend today, as they have for the past half-century, on U.S. power. "The United States is the only truly global player," Fischer admits, "and I must warn against underestimating its importance for peace and stability in the world. And beware, too, of underestimating what the U.S. means for our own security." Yet the United States has played that role by seeing the world through its own eyes rather than by adopting Europe 's postmodern world view. Were Americans now to adapt their vision, neither the United States nor postmodern Europe would remain secure for long.

Herein lies the tragedy. To address today's global dangers, Americans will need the legitimacy that Europe can provide, but Europeans may well fail to grant it. In their effort to constrain the superpower, they might lose sight of the mounting dangers in the world, which are far greater than those posed by the United States . Out of nervousness about unipolarity, they might underestimate the dangers of a multipolar system in which nonliberal and nondemocratic powers would come to outweigh Europe . Out of passion for the international legal order, they might forget the other liberal principles that have made postmodern Europe what it is today. Europeans might succeed in debilitating the United States this way. But since they have no intention of supplementing its power with their own, in doing so they would only succeed in weakening the overall power that the liberal democratic world can wield in its defense -- and in defense of liberalism itself.

Right now, many Europeans are betting that the risks posed by the "axis of evil," from terrorism to tyrants, will never be as great as the risk posed by the American leviathan unbound. Perhaps it is in the nature of a postmodern Europe to make such a judgment. But now may be the time for the wisest heads in Europe , including those living in the birthplace of Pascal, to ask themselves what will result if that wager proves wrong.


Robert Kagan is a Senior Associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington DC and an expert in U.S. national security and foreign policy. He writes a monthly column on world affairs for the Washington Post and is a contributing editor at both the Weekly Standard and the New Republic . He served in the US State Department from 1984-88 as a member of the Policy Planning Staff, as principal speechwriter for Secretary of State George P. Shultz, and as Deputy for Policy in the Bureau of Inter-American Affairs. His most recent book is Of Paradise and Power, a best-seller in eight countries, and he is well known for an article titled, Power and Weakness in which he famously noted that ‘on major strategic and international questions today, Americans are from Mars and Europeans are from Venus’.
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 08:16 pm
I'll read it, ican, but I was tempted to trash it after your puerile comment offering us the two alternatives of Bush and Cheney (sic) as bumblers or as swindlers. Puleeze. I wish the world were that simple or as easy to parse.

But I'll read it (grumble, grumble)
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 08:32 pm
Kara wrote:
I'll read it, ican, but I was tempted to trash it after your puerile comment offering us the two alternatives of Bush and Cheney (sic) as bumblers or as swindlers. Puleeze. I wish the world were that simple or as easy to parse.

But I'll read it (grumble, grumble)
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 09:19 pm
Dreaming Of Democracy
By GEORGE PACKER (NYT) 7730 words
Published: March 2, 2003

Last summer, the State Department convened a number of Iraqi exiles to advise the United States government on the problems that Iraq would face after the fall of Saddam Hussein. It was called, rather grandly, the Future of Iraq Project. .........

...The longer you try to look at Iraq on the morning after Saddam, the more you see the truth of what many people told me: getting rid of him will be the easy part. After that, the United States will find itself caught in a series of conundrums that will require supreme finesse: to liberate without appearing to dominate, to ensure order without overstaying, to secure its interests without trampling on Iraq's, to oversee democratization without picking winners, to push for reforms in the neighborhood without unleashing demons. It's hard to know whether to be more worried by the State Department's complacency or by the Pentagon civilians' zealotry.

On the day that Saigon fell in 1975, the British writer James Fenton found a framed quotation on a wall of the looted American embassy: ''Better to let them do it imperfectly than to do it perfectly yourself, for it is their country, their way, and your time is short.'' The words are from T.E. Lawrence. Vietnam remains the shadow over every American war, but never more than the one we're poised to fight, for no war since Vietnam has professed greater ambitions: to change the political culture of a country, maybe a whole region. Ever since Woodrow Wilson worked to put democracy and self-determination on the agenda at Versailles, this strain of high-mindedness in the American character has drawn the world's admiration and its scorn. In Graham Greene's novel ''The Quiet American,'' which was recently released as a film, the title character is a young idealist sent to Vietnam in the early 1950's to find a democratic ''Third Force'' between the French and the Communists. The book's narrator, a jaded British journalist, remarks, ''I never knew a man who had better motives for all the trouble he caused.'' Americans have never been very good at imperialism, or much interested in it; we're too innocent, too impatient, too intoxicated with our own sense of selfless purpose. Several Iraqis expressed the wish that their occupiers could be the British again, who took the trouble to know them so much better, who wrote whole books on the Marsh Arabs and the flora and fauna of Kuwait. Afghanistan lost America's attention as soon as Kandahar fell, and it remains unfinished business. As for Iraq, Jessica Mathews of the Carnegie Endowment, says, ''Our country is not remotely prepared for what this is going to take.''

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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 12:23 am
What does:
1. 10/1983 US Marine Corps Headquarters in Beirut--241 dead Americans;
2. 2/1993 WTC in NYC--6 dead Americans;
3. 11/1995 Saudi National Guard Facility in Riyadh--5 dead Americans;
4. 6/1996 Khobar Towers in Dhahran--19 dead Americans;
5. 8/1998 American Embassy in Nairobi--12 dead Americans;
6. 12/2000 Destroyer Cole in Aden--17 dead Americans;
7. 9/2001 WTC in NYC, Pentagon, Pennsylvania Field--approx. 1500 dead Americans
have to do with risks Americans would have faced whether Bush decided to invade or not to invade Iraq? There is no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with the above list.

What does "policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government" have to do with the risks Americans would have faced whether Bush decided to invade or not to invade Iraq?

Powell propagandized the evidence that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Iraq by implying a "nexus" between him and Saddam. The evidence indicates that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi fell in with Ansar al-Islam in NORTHERN Iraq, an area outside of Saddam's control, an area controlled by Iraqi Kurds under the protection of the Combined Task Force.

Powell propagandized claims that Baghdad had an agent in the most senior levels of the radical organization Ansar al-Islam that controls this corner of Iraq contrary to evidence showing that Ansar was against Saddam because they were KURDS who were brutally oppressed by Saddam and were trying to establish an Islamic KURDISH state in this corner of Iraq.

Powell propagandized claims that friendly security service to approach Baghdad about extraditing Zarqawi to no avail despite the fact that:
1.Saddam had no control over the area where Zarqawi had settled, NORTHERN Iraq.
2.Zarqawi fell in with Ansar al-Islam, a group that was AGAINST Saddam.

Powell also propagandized claims that Saddam had WMD's deliverable to US targets in 45 minutes.

Powell also propagandized claims that Saddam had mobile bio-weapons labs.

Powell's CREDIBILITY is somewhere near that of Baghdad Bob's.

Risks Americans would have faced whether Bush decided to invade or not to invade Iraq according to the 9/11 commission report amount to "indications" of the Iraqi regime's "tolerance" of Ansar al Islam, and "may even have helped Ansar al-Islam"--a group that, as aforesaid, opposed Saddam; "indications" that are contrary to the available, un-ideologized, un-propagandized evidence.

Risks Americans would have faced whether Bush decided to invade or not to invade Iraq according to the Duelfer report amount to allegations that "Saddam wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when sanctions were lifted" despite the fact that, according to David Kay in an interview with The New York Times' James Risen (Ex-Inspector Says C.I.A. Missed Disarray in Iraqi Arms Program, 01/26/2004), "Iraq's unconventional weapons programs were in a state of disarray in recent years under the increasingly erratic leadership of Saddam Hussein . . ." and that "Iraqi scientists had presented ambitious but fanciful weapons programs to Mr. Hussein and had then used the money for other purposes.

"From interviews with Iraqi scientists and other sources, he said, his team learned that sometime around 1997 and 1998, Iraq plunged into what he called a "vortex of corruption," when government activities began to spin out of control because an increasingly isolated and fantasy-riven Saddam Hussein had insisted on personally authorizing major projects without input from others.

"After the onset of this 'dark ages,' Dr. Kay said, Iraqi scientists realized they could go directly to Mr. Hussein and present fanciful plans for weapons programs, and receive approval and large amounts of money. Whatever was left of an effective weapons capability, he said, was largely subsumed into corrupt money-raising schemes by scientists skilled in the arts of lying and surviving in a fevered police state.

"'The whole thing shifted from directed programs to a corrupted process,' Dr. Kay said. 'The regime was no longer in control; it was like a death spiral. Saddam was self-directing projects that were not vetted by anyone else. The scientists were able to fake programs.'

"In interviews after he was captured, Tariq Aziz, the former deputy prime minister, told Dr. Kay that Mr. Hussein had become increasingly divorced from reality during the last two years of his rule. Mr. Hussein would send Mr. Aziz manuscripts of novels he was writing, even as the American-led coalition was gearing up for war, Dr. Kay said."

Risks Americans would have faced whether Bush decided to invade or not to invade Iraq amounted to a dictator and a society that had crumbled into corruption and disfunction due to the various efforts, from the Combined Task Force's operations in Northern and Southern Iraq, to the UN sanctions and inspections.
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