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THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 12:42 pm
The whole Iraq situation is so depressing that there is nothing else we can say and if we do say something the other side just says something back and that is getting depressing as well.

I guess it is time to find something else to do and let the world go to hell in a handbasket. I don't believe I have ever felt so powerless before in my life.
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Aris
 
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Reply Tue 9 Nov, 2004 01:07 pm
Yeah well I'm no activist myself, but let's all just sit back while US air raids kill innocents every single day. Why not.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 06:50 am
Forgive me, I go through changing moods and I was depressed and hopeless yesterday.

Anyway I found two articles relating to Iraq that I found interesting. One is about some more missing weapons and the other is about an Iraqi government official quitting over the battle of Fallujah.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31050-2004Nov6.html

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Several thousand shoulder-fired missiles -- the kind that could be used to shoot down aircraft -- are missing in Iraq, and their disappearance has prompted U.S. military and intelligence analysts to increase sharply their estimate of the number of such weapons that may be at large, administration officials said yesterday.

Some U.S. analysts figure that as many as 4,000 surface-to-air missiles once under the control of Saddam Hussein's government remain unaccounted for. That would raise the number of such missiles outside government hands worldwide to about 6,000.


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/Iraq/2004/11/09/706346-ap.html

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Sunni Muslim party quits Iraq government in protest against Fallujah attack
BAGHDAD (AP) - A major Sunni Muslim political party has quit the interim Iraqi government and withdrawn its single minister from the cabinet in protest against the U.S. assault on Fallujah, the party's leader said Tuesday.

"We are protesting the attack on Fallujah and the injustice that is inflicted on the innocent people of the city," said Mohsen Abdel-Hamid, head of the Iraqi Islamic party. Abdel-Hamid said the party's leaders convened Monday and decided their one minister in the cabinet - Minister of Industry Hajim Al-Hassani - should quit. "We cannot be part of this attack," he said.

Since the Iraqi Islamic party wields significant influence over the Sunni comunity, its move to pull out of the government will likely be a blow to Interim prime minister Ayad Allawi.
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Aris
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 07:16 am
revel wrote:
Forgive me, I go through changing moods and I was depressed and hopeless yesterday.

Feeling depressed and hopeless is the worst.
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Hope you're feeling better today Smile

Yep, the Sunnis have quit being part of the puppet regime and I'm waiting to see the spin that corporate media will put on this latest setback to crusading Bush. They'll probably now call the millions of Sunnis "foreign terrorists" as well.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 07:17 am
Can anyone tell me what dead people need with democracy?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:03 am
What a relief. Finally our military commanders Iraq and President Bush's advisors have some expert guidance on what to do in Iraq. Madonna has finally broken her gut-wrenching silence and has informed the world as to the correct course of action. Madonna has now called for the United States to withdraw its troops from Iraq. And, true to Hollywood custom, Madonna decided to share her foreign policy expertise with the world from a foreign platform .. an interview with British radio. Madonna, who has successfully hidden her wide ranging knowledge on foreign affairs for quite some time now, says that she "(dosen't) want American troops to be in Iraq, period. My feelings are, 'can we just all get out?'"

No word from the White House yet. I'm sure the president's advisors will be meeting this morning to discuss the wide-raging implications of Madonna's pronouncements. Meanwhile, a grateful world breaths a sigh of relief. Finally, someone with some sense has stepped forward to save the day.

non-partisan, fair source...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:07 am
Arnold, the govenater, is expected to reply to Madonna's statement with "She doesn't represent true hollywood values like I do, she's just a girly-girl"
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the prince
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:09 am
dyslexia wrote:
Arnold, the govenater, is expected to reply to Madonna's statement with "She doesn't represent true hollywood values like I do, she's just a girly-girl"


Laughing Laughing This is one of the best repartee I have ever heard !!
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Aris
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:23 am
The White House will probably trot out Britney Spears to counter with her ""Honestly, I think we should, like, just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should, like, just support that" type of comment again Razz
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:25 am
dyslexia wrote:
Arnold, the govenater, is expected to reply to Madonna's statement with "She doesn't represent true hollywood values like I do, she's just a girly-girl"


Laughing
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:25 am
Obviously we can not cut and run from Iraq. However, I wonder if Bush isn't having second thoughts about his ill advised adventure. I can just picture George telling Dick. This is a fine mess you got me into. I think that was laurel and Hardy's line and considering these two quite appropriate
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:37 am
Interesting that you continue to ignore these questions Revel (and others). I'm going to go ahead and assume that it isn't the questions you don't like, but the answers. Idea

OCCOM BILL wrote:
Consider this:

20% of the citizens of Iraq are girls, 14 years old or younger. Are those FIVE MILLION LITTLE GIRLS worth fighting for? Do they deserve a better lot in life than the essential enslavement that the Islamic Extremists have in mind for them? Does it matter if their parents have been brainwashed into accepting the injustice?


I guess we know how Madonna would answer. Sad
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 08:46 am
That's the thing. Nobody wants to look at how bad things were before or how many Iraqis (the large majority) want to be a free and independent state. Too many forget that democracy is almost 100% won at the cost of much blood and treasure. Few of us already in free, democratic societies would say the cost for that was too dear. Yet some of these same people seem to think the Iraqis should not have the same opportunity; that they were better off under Saddam's brutal regime.
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Aris
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:13 am
What a bunch of BS.

1) Who asked the US to install "democracy" in Iraq? Was it the Iraqis? No. So what business is it of the US' to impose what type of gov't it pleases? Maybe they want an Islamic state. What's it to you? Do you have the right to dictate such things to sovereign nations? Heck no.

Besides, only ignoramuses believe that the US is murdering innocent Iraqis by the dozens every day because it wants to give them freedom & democracy.

2) Apparently, Saddam had killed about 300,000 of his countrymen over the decades of his rule. In the past year and a half alone, the US has killed over 100,000. It seems that Iraqis were safer under Saddam's rule eh.

Get your heads out of the sand there, people.

Apache Spectre gunships and other warplanes have been sending innocent people to Kingdom Come all these days in Falluja and you sit over in the US on your couches hypocritically speaking of Freedom & Democracy while the rest of the world looks on and calls for the war crime tribunals of your leaders.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:16 am
I am saddened by the world media and the propaganda that gets spread around the world.

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Besides, only ignoramuses believe that the US is murdering innocent Iraqis by the dozens every day
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:21 am
Karl Rove teach you you editing techniques McG?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:22 am
Those questions are still there Aris.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:23 am
Nope. I am self taught.
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Aris
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:35 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Those questions are still there Aris.

Which questions are you referring to?
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Aris
 
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Reply Wed 10 Nov, 2004 09:37 am
McGentrix wrote:
I am saddened by the world media and the propaganda that gets spread around the world.

Coming from someone who obviously believes all the BS propaganda Bush & Co. have been spoon-feeding him, I find that comment extremely amusing.

Keep saying BAAAA, McGentrix Mr. Green
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