THE US, THE UN AND THE IRAQIS THEMSELVES, V. 7.0

Im just amazed that ican, even when pressed with evidence contrary to his belief, will merely evade the evidence and continue his belief. In that respect hes much like the Bush administration. Thhey are still arguing the WMD issue as if it were a fact. No skin off my nose, its just a lot of fun when most people try a new piece of data on him and he just rejects it . Thats not "intellectually honest" its something else that , politeness in mind, I cannot fully discuss. BUT, It is funny.

12. John Kerry slandered his fellow troops in Vietnam when he testified before the Senate's Fulbright Committee in 1972 that those fellow troops committed horrible atrocities.

14. Colin Powell UN Speech, The 9-11 Commission, and the Duelfer Report together confirm that Saddam would have presented a serious threat to our safety if he were not removed.

Ican, excuse me for interrupting, but was Kerry's allegation that our troops in Vietnam shot dogs "for sport" ever documented? Does anybody else here know? Thanks.

".....shot cattle and dogs for fun..."

Did that really happen? Thank you.

Since you made the list, you have to provide the proof of your statements in the list.

Since you only provided statements in this list; we can provide statements back.

In previous post, almost all those issues have been tackled to death with evidence from both sides.

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12. John Kerry slandered his fellow troops in Vietnam when he testified before the Senate's Fulbright Committee in 1972 that those fellow troops committed horrible atrocities.

This one is not true. His statement to congress were from other statements that others have made already. John Kerry spoke the truth about those actrocities were committed in Vietnam.

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14. Colin Powell UN Speech, The 9-11 Commission, and the Duelfer Report together confirm that Saddam would have presented a serious threat to our safety if he were not removed.

The 9/11 commission report did not suggest in any fashion that Saddam Hussien should be removed for our safety. It merely said that Osma Bin Laden had contact with Saddam Hussien but nothing came of it. It also said that there was a terrorist camp but it was outside the control of saddam hussien.

Clearly not a member of PETA, are you, Ican?!

Since we're on a digression here anyway, are you a pilot, and if so what do you fly that has a ceiling of 45,000 feet?

Omission and commission aren't the same thing, Revel. Not denying a long list isn't the same as confirming the validity of each individual item on the list.

So in plain English, you just don't know the answer to my question. Fine.

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Since you made the list, you have to provide the proof of your statements in the list.

I didn't ask for proof, so I won't provide proof. I did ask for kinds of evidence so that's what I will provide, kinds of evidence. Besides I've repeatedly provided here evidence, excerpted from these kinds of vidence, for my allegations.

Powell: www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17300pf.htm
Commission: www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm
Duelfer: www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/Comp_Report_Key_Findings.pdf

revel wrote:

Since you only provided statements in this list; we can provide statements back.

Be my quest! But you don't really need your or anyone else's justification. However, this statement of yours leads me to question your ability to reason logically.

revel wrote:

In previous post, almost all those issues have been tackled to death with evidence from both sides.

So why ask for more issue tackling?

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12. John Kerry slandered his fellow troops in Vietnam when he testified before the Senate's Fulbright Committee in 1972 that those fellow troops committed horrible atrocities.

This one is not true. His statement to congress were from other statements that others have made already. John Kerry spoke the truth about those actrocities were committed in Vietnam.

Many of the others you mentioned have either admitted they were never in Vietnam up to 1972 or have explicitly confessed in public on C-Span that they lied. However, that's irrelevant. What's relevant is John Kerry testified falsely before the Fullbright Committee in 1972 that his fellow troops committed horrible atrocities. That testimony was slander regardless of whose falsities on wich he was basing his testimony. Read "Unfit for Command" by John O'Neill and Jerome Corsi to obtain explicit references to specific evidence. Oh yes, in an interview I watched on ABC, Kerry stated that his accusations before the committee were "a little over the top."

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14. Colin Powell UN Speech, The 9-11 Commission, and the Duelfer Report together confirm that Saddam would have presented a serious threat to our safety if he were not removed.

The 9/11 commission report did not suggest in any fashion that Saddam Hussien should be removed for our safety. It merely said that Osma Bin Laden had contact with Saddam Hussien but nothing came of it. It also said that there was a terrorist camp but it was outside the control of saddam hussien.

I've supplied the pertinent excerpts here many times that contradict your allegations. See my links posted in this post above. Check them out for yourself. For some examples that contradict your allegations, see Chapters 2.4, and 2.5. of the Commissions report. Al Qaeda were harbored in Iraq at the time of our invasion and Saddam knew about it. According to Powell speech Saddam was told twice in 2002 to evict al Qaeda or else. Of course, he's was told a third time by Powell's speech to the UN, February 2003.

I feel that I don't need to restate my position as I don't feel this post is correct.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6937.htm

Swift Boat Swill
From the National Archives: New proof of Vietnam War atrocities

by Nicholas Turse

09/21/04 "Village Voice" --

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... he did gave aid and comfort to the enemy. It is that, more than anything else, for which most of his fellow servicemen hold him in contempt.

Contrary to what those critics, including the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, have implied, Kerry was speaking on behalf of many soldiers when he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971, and said this:

They told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam, in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.