Okay, sorry. My mistake. I thought you were participating. :wink:
Ticomaya
Excerpt from the article i posted
The 101st Airborne Division arrived April 10 and left the next day. The next recorded visit by Americans came on May 27, when Task Force 75 inspected Al Qaqaa, but did not find the large quantities of explosives that had been seen in mid-March by the international inspectors. By then, Al Qaqaa had plainly been looted.
Colonel Anderson said he did not see any obvious signs of damage when he arrived on April 10,
au1929 wrote:Ticomaya
Excerpt from the article i posted
The 101st Airborne Division arrived April 10 and left the next day. The next recorded visit by Americans came on May 27, when Task Force 75 inspected Al Qaqaa, but did not find the large quantities of explosives that had been seen in mid-March by the international inspectors. By then, Al Qaqaa had plainly been looted.
Colonel Anderson said he did not see any obvious signs of damage when he arrived on April 10,
And the conclusion you have drawn from this is .......
ehBeth wrote: Without the invasion, the explosives might have stayed where they were. Might Might Might Might does not make right.
Might doesn't make wrong either.
Pigs Might fly.
Saddam Might have stockpiled high explosives for a hobby.
Saddam Might have been no future threat to human life.
Saddam Might not have known about the stockpiling of high explosives in Iraq.
The IAEA Might have wanted to save those high explosives in order to defend those explosives.
The earth Might be flat.
John Kerry Might be a truthteller.
You're very funny sometimes, ican.
ehBeth wrote:You're very funny sometimes, ican.
Gee, I Might have been trying to be serious
all the time.
October 27 2004 at 04:06PM
Iraq joins the fray over missing explosives
By Sam Dagher
Baghdad - A top Iraqi science official said on Wednesday that it was impossible that 350 tons of high explosives could have been smuggled out of a military site south of Baghdad before the regime fell last year.
He warned that explosives from nearby sites could have also been looted.
The United Nations nuclear watchdog this week said the explosives went missing from a weapons dump some time after Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled in April 2003 by the United States-led invasion.
But as the issue took centre stage in the final days of the US presidential campaign, some US officials have suggested the explosives had gone before the US-led forces moved on Baghdad.
The Pentagon has said it did not know when the explosives went missing.
Mohammed al-Sharaa, who heads the science ministry's site monitoring department and worked with UN weapons inspectors under Saddam, said "it is impossible that these materials could have been taken from this site before the regime's fall".
He said he and other officials had been ordered a month earlier to insure that "not even a shred of paper left the sites".
"The officials that were inside this facility (al-Qaqaa) beforehand confirm that not even a shred of paper left it before the fall and I spoke to them about it and they even issued certified statements to this effect which the US-led coalition was aware of."
He said officials at al-Qaqaa, including its general director, whom he refused to name, made contact with US troops before the fall in an effort to get them to provide security for the site.
The regime's fall triggered a wave of looting of government and private property, which US-led troops struggled to contain as they were busy securing their own positions.
Sharaa warned that other sites close to al-Qaqaa with similar materials could have also been plundered.
"The al-Milad company in Iskandariyah and the Yarmuk and Hateen facilities contained explosive materials that could have also been taken out," he told reporters.
Al-Qaqaa is near Latifiyah, 30km south of Baghdad. The bulk of materials in question include HMX (high melting point explosive) and RDX (rapid detonation explosive), which can be used in major bombing attacks, making missile warheads and detonating nuclear weapons.
The area in Babil province, which includes the towns of Iskandariyah and Mahmudiyah, used to be the centre of Saddam's military-industrial complex.
It is now one of the most dangerous parts of the country, and is rife with crime, kidnappings and attacks.
"It may be already too late to salvage many of these sites, which are controlled by bandits and beyond the control of Iraqi forces," warned Sharaa.
Science Minister Omar Rashad sent a letter on October 10 to the International Atomic Energy Agency sounding the alarm about the explosives in al-Qaqaa.
Sharaa said the letter was sent after repeated warnings and inquiries by the IAEA over the disappearance of so-called duel-use nuclear material, which could be used for either conventional or nuclear means.
"Normally we should be overseeing all sites but these responsibilities were stripped away from us under the coalition authority," he said.
The ministry was only handed oversight responsiblities of two sites - al-Tuwaitha and al-Wardiya - after authority was transferred from the coalition to the interim government in June.
Sharaa refused to put a number on the sites with dangerous materials but said that many include hospitals, schools and factories that are now under the control of various ministries.
Some Iraqi officials have estimated the number at 200.
"It is very serious if these materials fall into the wrong hands, because they will be used to kill Iraqis," Muwaffaq al-Rubaiye, a special advisor to Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's government, warned Tuesday
Rubaiye, formerly national security advisor, warned in July that materials to make so-called dirty bombs might already be in the hands of militant groups like that of Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, believed to be al-Qaeda's frontman in Iraq.
ADMINISTRATION MISLEADS ON COST OF WAR
Before the invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration told the American people that it could be fought on the cheap. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz said "We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."[1] Budget Director Mitch Daniels said Iraq will be "an affordable endeavor,"[2] "that will not require sustained aid"[3] and cost "in the range of $50 billion to $60 billion."[4] Defense Policy Board Member Richard Perle said, "Iraq is a very wealthy country...They can finance, largely finance, the reconstruction of their own country."[5] They were all wrong.
The Washington Post reports "the Bush administration intends to seek about $70 billion in emergency funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan early next year, pushing total war costs close to $225 billion since the invasion of Iraq early last year."[6]
Sources:
1. "Dems charge 'bait and switch' on Iraq," UPI, 10/03/03,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65222.
2. Ibid,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65222.
3. "U.S. says oil in Iraq to pay for rebuilding," Washington Post, 3/28/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65223.
4. "Estimated cost of Iraq war reduced," New York Times, 12/31/02,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65224.
5. "Saddam's Ultimate Solution," PBS, 07/11/02,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65225.
6. "Increase in War Funding Sought," Washington Post, 10/26/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3382691&l=65226.
Quote:"A political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not the person you want as the commander in chief,"
This is brilliant!
reuters link
Who knew that Bush was campaigning for Kerry?
au1929 wrote:October 27 2004 at 04:06PM
Iraq joins the fray over missing explosives
By Sam Dagher
Baghdad - A top Iraqi science official said on Wednesday that it was impossible that 350 tons of high explosives could have been smuggled out of a military site south of Baghdad before the regime fell last year.
He warned that explosives from nearby sites could have also been looted.
The United Nations nuclear watchdog this week said the explosives went missing from a weapons dump some time after Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled in April 2003 by the United States-led invasion.
But as the issue took centre stage in the final days of the US presidential campaign, some US officials have suggested the explosives had gone before the US-led forces moved on Baghdad.
The Pentagon has said it did not know when the explosives went missing.
Mohammed al-Sharaa, who heads the science ministry's site monitoring department and worked with UN weapons inspectors under Saddam, said "it is impossible that these materials could have been taken from this site before the regime's fall".
He said he and other officials had been ordered a month earlier to insure that "not even a shred of paper left the sites".
"The officials that were inside this facility (al-Qaqaa) beforehand confirm that not even a shred of paper left it before the fall and I spoke to them about it and they even issued certified statements to this effect which the US-led coalition was aware of."
He said officials at al-Qaqaa, including its general director, whom he refused to name, made contact with US troops before the fall in an effort to get them to provide security for the site.
The regime's fall triggered a wave of looting of government and private property, which US-led troops struggled to contain as they were busy securing their own positions.
Sharaa warned that other sites close to al-Qaqaa with similar materials could have also been plundered.
"The al-Milad company in Iskandariyah and the Yarmuk and Hateen facilities contained explosive materials that could have also been taken out," he told reporters.
Al-Qaqaa is near Latifiyah, 30km south of Baghdad. The bulk of materials in question include HMX (high melting point explosive) and RDX (rapid detonation explosive), which can be used in major bombing attacks, making missile warheads and detonating nuclear weapons.
The area in Babil province, which includes the towns of Iskandariyah and Mahmudiyah, used to be the centre of Saddam's military-industrial complex.
It is now one of the most dangerous parts of the country, and is rife with crime, kidnappings and attacks.
"It may be already too late to salvage many of these sites, which are controlled by bandits and beyond the control of Iraqi forces," warned Sharaa.
Science Minister Omar Rashad sent a letter on October 10 to the International Atomic Energy Agency sounding the alarm about the explosives in al-Qaqaa.
Sharaa said the letter was sent after repeated warnings and inquiries by the IAEA over the disappearance of so-called duel-use nuclear material, which could be used for either conventional or nuclear means.
"Normally we should be overseeing all sites but these responsibilities were stripped away from us under the coalition authority," he said.
The ministry was only handed oversight responsiblities of two sites - al-Tuwaitha and al-Wardiya - after authority was transferred from the coalition to the interim government in June.
Sharaa refused to put a number on the sites with dangerous materials but said that many include hospitals, schools and factories that are now under the control of various ministries.
Some Iraqi officials have estimated the number at 200.
"It is very serious if these materials fall into the wrong hands, because they will be used to kill Iraqis," Muwaffaq al-Rubaiye, a special advisor to Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's government, warned Tuesday
Rubaiye, formerly national security advisor, warned in July that materials to make so-called dirty bombs might already be in the hands of militant groups like that of Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, believed to be al-Qaeda's frontman in Iraq.
More speculation, hmmm.
How comforting to know that the man who "worked with UN weapons inspectors under Saddam" isn't admitting to any shenanigans on his watch. And since we have "certified statements" from folks from al Qaqaa, I think we can put this issue to bed. Bush is to blame.
[/sarcasm]
From the Wed 06 Oct 2004 issue of the Ellensburg Daily Record (Ellensburg, Washington) ... written by Mathew Manweller, Central Washington University Professor, Political Science:
Quote:Election Determines Fate of Nation
"In that this will be my last column before the presidential election, there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at witty repartee. The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high. This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance. Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands. If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be two-fold.
First, we will reject the notion that America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big of a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations. The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions.
America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.
Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded America can become a defeated America. Twenty-four-hour news stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10. The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there. Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American administration without setting foot on the homeland.
It is said that America's W.W.II generation is its greatest generation. But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's 'last generation.' Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WW II, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake 'living in America' as 'being an American.' But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities. This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp the obligation that comes with being an American, or fade into the oblivion they may deserve. I believe that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."
Mathew Manweller
Rumsfeld: Pentagon had no plans for Iraqi insurgency
US Defense Secretary implicitly admits lack of planning for handling insurgency in Iraq after invading it.
By Maxim Kniazkov - WASHINGTON
US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has implicitly admitted the Pentagon had no specific plans for handling a widespread insurgency in the aftermath of the US-led invasion of Iraq, but still insisted US pre-war planning was "good."
The remarks, made on Tuesday in an interview with Cincinnati, Ohio, radio station, came amid a barrage of charges by Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry and his aides that the White House had failed to adequately plan for the possibility of a guerrilla war in Iraq.
"The postwar plan ... was designed to see that they were not able to destroy their oil wells, that they were not able to blow up their bridges, that they did not have massive humanitarian crisis with internally displaced people and refugees and food crisis, and that the war was conducted in a speedy way so that it would not run the risk of destabilizing neighboring countries," Rumsfeld said when asked to comment on the accusations.
He said all those goals had been accomplished, but he did not mention guerrilla operations among the contingencies the military had planned for, and referred to them as a problem being handled on an ad hoc basis.
"It is a truth that it requires continuously adapting what we're doing - our tactics and our strategies - to meet the problems on the ground, the security problem on the ground," Rumsfeld said.
The comments dovetailed with other indications that the administration of President George W. Bush did not anticipate any serious resistance to US troops on the part of Iraqis following the overthrow of the government of Saddam Hussein.
Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson told CNN television last week that he had urged Bush, in a private meeting before the March 2003 invasion, to prepare the Americans for the prospect of high casualties.
Bush responded, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties," according to Robertson.
More than 1,100 US troops have been killed in Iraq since the beginning of the war, most of them after the president declared an end of major combat operations in May 2003.
In the lead-up to the war, the Central Intelligence Agency was reportedly so convinced Iraqis would warmly greet US troops that it proposed smuggling hundreds of small American flags into Iraq ahead of the invasion to give Iraqis something to wave at the soldiers.
The CIA was then planning to capture the event on film and beam it throughout the Arab world, The New York Times reported last week, citing unnamed intelligence officials.
Still, Rumsfeld insisted that "the war plan and the postwar plan were both good ones."
He said claims that the Pentagon had prematurely "retired" former Army chief of staff General Eric Shinseki after he told Congress that the occupation of Iraq would require hundreds of thousand of US soldiers, were "a flat lie."
Without mentioning Kerry by name, he took strong exception to the Democrat's charges the Pentagon had "outsourced" to tribal Afghan leaders the job of capturing Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden during a December 2001 operation in the Afghan region of Tora Bora.
"For anyone to be running around flyspecking what took place in Afghanistan ... is beyond comprehension," the defense secretary snapped.
Rumsfeld also made light of the controversy over missing Iraqi explosives seized upon by the Democratic campaign.
"Do you remember when the museum - everyone said the museum was looted?" he said when asked to comment on the disappearance of 380 tonnes of conventional high explosives from Al-Qaqaa military base south of Baghdad.
The secretary was referring to reports about massive looting at the Iraqi national museum after the fall of Baghdad that later proved to be exaggerated because many of the artifacts had been hidden by curators.
ehBeth
Notice the moron keeps saying commander in chief. It must give him a vicarious thrill. Saying president obviously does not make him feel like a man. I do not remember hearing that very often during WW2 or any other of the conflicts. It kind of reminds me of the Gilbert and Sullivan operetta. I am the very model of a modern major general----------.
If John Kerry were President instead of Bush, he would have committed only one blunder. He would still be seeking support from the UN for an invasion of Iraq, while Saddam continued to build up those munitions dumps, while Saddam waited for sanctions to be lifted, and while Saddam waited for unihibited resumption of his WMD development plans, and while the US waited for its next 9/11.
Charles Duelfer's Report, 30 September
www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/Comp_Report_Key_Findings.pdf
Quote:Regime Strategic Intent
Key Findings
Saddam Husayn so dominated the Iraqi Regime that its strategic intent was his alone. He wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when sanctions were lifted.
pt1- Saddam totally dominated the Regime's strategic decision making. He initiated most of the strategic thinking upon which decisions were made, whether in matters of war and peace (such as invading Kuwait), maintaining WMD as a national strategic goal, or on how Iraq was to position itself in the international community. Loyal dissent was discouraged and constructive variations to the implementation of his wishes on strategic issues were rare. Saddam was the Regime in a strategic sense and his intent became Iraq's strategic policy.
pt2- Saddam's primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to have UN sanctions lifted, while maintaining the security of the Regime. He sought to balance the need to cooperate with UN inspections--to gain support for lifting sanctions--with his intention to preserve Iraq's intellectual capital for WMD with a minimum of foreign intrusiveness and loss of face. Indeed, this remained the goal to the end of the Regime, as the starting of any WMD program, conspicuous or otherwise, risked undoing the progress achieved in undoing the progress achieved in eroding sanctions and jeopardizing a political end to the embargo and international monitoring.
pt3- The introduction of the Oil-For-Food program (OFF) in late 1996 was a key turning point for the Regime. OFF rescued Bagdad's economy from a terminal decline created by sanctions. The Regime quickly came to see tat OFF could be corrupted to acquire foreign exchange both to further undermine sanctions and to provide the means to enance dual-use infrastructure and potential WMD-related development.
pt4- By 2000-2001, Saddam had managed to mitigate many of the effects of the sanctions and undermine their international support. Iraq was within striking distance of a de facto end to the sanctions regime, both in terms of oil exports and the trade embargo by the end of 1999.
Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq's WMD capability--which was essentially destroyed in 1991--after sanctions were removed and Iraq's economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop nuclear capability--in an incremental fashion, irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks--but he intended to focus on ballistic missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.
pt1- Iran was the pre-eminate motivator of this policy. All senior level Iraqi officials considered Iran to be Iraq's principal enemy in the region. The wish to balance Israel and acquire status and influence in the Arab world were also considerattions, but secondary.
pt2- Iraq Survey Group (ISG) judges that events in the 1980s and early 1990s shaped Saddam's belief in the value of WMD. In Saddam's view, WMD helped save the Regime multiple times. He believed that during the Iran-Iraq war chemical weapons had halted Iranian ground offensives and that ballistic missile attacks attacks on Tehran had broken its political will. Similarly during Desert Storm, Saddam believed WMD had deterred Coalition Forces from pressing their attack beyond the goal of feeing Kuwait. WMD had even played a role in crushing the Shi'a revolt in the south following the 1991 cease-fire.
pt3- The former Regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions. Neither was there an identifiable group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam. Instead, his lieutenants understood WMD revival was his goal from their long association with Saddam and his infrequent, but firm, verbal comments and directions to them.
DO YOU THINK THIS PERSON'S OPINION IS VALID?
Quote:WORLD WAR THREE WW III
Date: 19 October 2004 05:56:24 -0400
You have to read the catalogue of events in this brief piece. Then, ask yourself how anyone can take the position that all we have to do is bring our troops home from Iraq, sit back, re-set the snooze alarm, go back to sleep, and no one will ever bother us again.
In case you missed it, World War III began in November 1979... that alarm has been ringing for years. U.S. Navy Captain Ouimette is the Executive Officer at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida. Here is a copy of the speech he gave last month. It is an accurate account of why we are in so much trouble today and why this action is so necessary.
AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!
That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.
It was a cool fall day in November
1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students
attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on
American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 23 years. America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.
America's military had been decimated and downsized/right sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and
poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the
start. Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad.
The attacks against US soil continued. In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her
dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck
loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.
The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in
Beirut and America slept. Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with
explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and
the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked. Fifty-nine
days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a
wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.
The terrorists then shift their tactics
to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the
most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. Clinton
treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These
are acts of war. The wake up alarm is getting louder and louder.
The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.
Then in November 1995 a
car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500.
The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.
The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.
And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep. In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to keep hitting the
snooze button again and again and roll over and go back to sleep.
After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "...it seems all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the
message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world. This is not a political thing to be
hashed over in an election year this is an AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come. Please forward this to as many people as you can
especially to the young people and all those who dozed off in history class and who seem so
quick to protest such a necessary military action. Time to wake up !!
Ticomaya
Old enough to have seen the great depression, WW2, Korea and the rest. I have seen and voted in many presidential elections. Never have I witnessed anything as degrading as this one. Nor in my lifetime has this nation been so divided. And whether you agree or not IMO most of the blame falls upon Bush and the republicans. The great uniter turned out to be the great divider. And just to alay your obvious conclusion that I am a died in the wool democratic. I should note that I have voted for the republican candid as often as the democratic one. My objection with Bush is not his party but his actions and policies.
au1929 wrote:Ticomaya
Old enough to have seen the great depression, WW2, Korea and the rest. I have seen and voted in many presidential elections. Never have I witnessed anything as degrading as this one. Nor in my lifetime has this nation been so divided. And whether you agree or not IMO most of the blame falls upon Bush and the republicans. The great uniter turned out to be the great divider. And just to alay your obvious conclusion that I am a died in the wool democratic. I should note that I have voted for the republican candid as often as the democratic one. My objection with Bush is not his party but his actions and policies.
I respect the wisdom that comes with your experience. I don't agree, but I respect it.
And I wouldn't expect you to blame the division on Kerry or the Democrats. A large reason for the division is the contrasting views on the Iraq War. Since Bush made the unpopular (to some) decision to invade Iraq, in your mind he deserves the "blame"?
There is division, but no more than we had 4 years ago. Why do you think this nation is any more divided than we were then? And should the blame for the division of that election fall upon Clinton?
There are Republicans voting for Kerry, and there are Democrats voting for Bush in this election, as well.
The bottom line is this. No matter what kinds of weapons these were that were not gaurded, they should have been gaurded as we have learned that terrorist can take almost anything and do a lot of damage with it.
If we had not put so many troops gaurding oil wells maybe we would have had some to spare to watch weapons disapearing.
I think it is waste of time talking to some around here.
This is bad and the usual spin words is not going to make it good. It might make it seem good, but that won't do the troops any good, just Bush, but hey, I guess that is all that matters.
FED UP
PBS-TV had a special on last night dealing with the question of iraq war and connected issues. former military leaders , retired diplomats and retired government secretaries, such as secretary of the army, participated in the program. i hope some of you watched it. i found the presentation quite enlightening (and scary). hbg