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The coming Oz election thread ...

 
 
the prince
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 05:44 am
Very disappointed to see Howard win again Sad
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 05:46 am
Oh, you're not alone in that, G! Sad
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 05:27 pm
Oh no! I hope this isn't an omen of what we are in for here in the States. Good Grief!

How on earth do you keep up with all the parties and their stances? I looked at the voting results chart nimh posted and was blown away. Now, reading how confusing the voting is with all the choices that have to be filled in, it is mind boggling that any sense can be made of the vote. I think it might be more suseptible to corruption that our new, electronic machines, some of which are produced by a company in bed with the Bush administration.

My sympathies to all you aussies. Sigh.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 05:30 pm
Short letters to the editor from The Australian.

Isn't this exciting? Waiting to find out which were the "core" promises.
Blair Hunt
Finch Hatton, Qld

The election was not decided by the interest rate. It was decided by the self-interest rate.
Ian Wanless
Lyneham, ACT

I thought democracy was meant to stop me from feeling voiceless, powerless and disillusioned.
Mick Elliott
Randwick, NSW
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 06:04 pm
Diane wrote:
Oh no! I hope this isn't an omen of what we are in for here in the States. Good Grief!

How on earth do you keep up with all the parties and their stances? I looked at the voting results chart nimh posted and was blown away. Now, reading how confusing the voting is with all the choices that have to be filled in, it is mind boggling that any sense can be made of the vote. I think it might be more suseptible to corruption that our new, electronic machines, some of which are produced by a company in bed with the Bush administration.

My sympathies to all you aussies. Sigh.


Corruption?

No - I think EVERYONE trusts our electoral commission - and all parties have scrutineers at the counting.

It is easy to make sense of the vote - and it allows the possibility for new parties to become major, if they can get enough support.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 06:42 pm
And no-one wants to be hauled up by the scrutins.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 07:02 pm
Alan Ramsey must expect to be sacked during the 'reform' of the media cross-ownership laws -he is NOT a happy man...........

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How on earth could we have put this scheming, mendacious little man and his miserable claque back in office for another three years? Worse, how could we have brought them to the very brink of absolute control of the nation's entire parliamentary process and authority?

Very easily, as things turned out, to the cost of the rest of us and our national self-respect.

For almost nine years this Government, incompetent in most everything except mediocrity, debauched its word and the people's trust, along with voters' gullibility, their ignorance, their taxes and, in the end, their greedy self-interest.

It deceived and dissembled about joining us with Washington's military adventurism in Iraq, and it went on deceiving and dissembling, irrespective of the heightened threat to our national interest, to keep our minuscule presence there purely for the political pleasure of George Bush and his cronies.

Then when we reached the one time every three years of a people's audit, 4.6 in every 10 of us turned round and said, thank you, gimme the money and flog us for another three years. Most times, despite the thick and the avaricious and those who feel it's just all beyond them, we get it right as a nation.

Not this time. This time we've really buggered things. A politically immoral man who, by any civilised measure, disqualified himself from public life, has been given a pat on the back and even more power. This time the people's will has got it dreadfully wrong.

Now we all have to pay for the comfortable idiocy of the manipulated minority. And it is a minority: the 46 per cent who voted for the Coalition, or 4.6 in every 10. The other 5.4, in the main, wanted something better, and were denied by a lowest common denominator system in which all the spoils go to a degraded 50 per cent plus one.

I thought we had more brains, more self-respect. I was wrong in thinking enough voters "just might" see through the confidence trickery of John Howard, master illusionist and toad of a human being. I apologise for nothing.



incompetent in most everything except mediocrity
scheming, mendacious little man
A politically immoral man
toad of a human being
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 08:26 pm
Wow...

Alan Ramsey for the Disaffected Party. My kinda guy.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:27 pm
Diane wrote:
Oh no! I hope this isn't an omen of what we are in for here in the States. Good Grief!
... My sympathies to all you aussies. Sigh.


I hope this isn't an omen for you, either, Diane. That'll mean all of us will be depressed! Sad Thank you for your sympathy. We need it as the Libs trot out the "reforms" they plan to bring in, now that they look like having an extremely cooperative Senate. I saw the headline: "workplace reforms" in my morning paper & could read further .. I felt sick.

BTW, your election day falls on Melbourne Cup Day here in Oz! It's a public holiday for a horse race, here in Melbourne! Laughing Anyway, I now have you election date firmly fixed in my mind, as a result of discovering this. <gulp> It's SOON! Shocked You must be getting the jitters. While the campaign runs there's still hope!
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:32 pm
hingehead wrote:
Short letters to the editor from The Australian.

Isn't this exciting? Waiting to find out which were the "core" promises.
Blair Hunt
Finch Hatton, Qld

The election was not decided by the interest rate. It was decided by the self-interest rate.
Ian Wanless
Lyneham, ACT

I thought democracy was meant to stop me from feeling voiceless, powerless and disillusioned.
Mick Elliott
Randwick, NSW


A lot of bleating & heart-ache in my Age, too, hingehead. My favourite comments is still this one:

"The turkeys voted for Christmas again."
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:36 pm
Mr Stillwater wrote:
Alan Ramsey must expect to be sacked during the 'reform' of the media cross-ownership laws -he is NOT a happy man...........

Quote:
How on earth could we have put this scheming, mendacious little man and his miserable claque back in office for another three years? Worse, how could we have brought them to the very brink of absolute control of the nation's entire parliamentary process and authority?

Very easily, as things turned out, to the cost of the rest of us and our national self-respect.

For almost nine years this Government, incompetent in most everything except mediocrity, debauched its word and the people's trust, along with voters' gullibility, their ignorance, their taxes and, in the end, their greedy self-interest.

It deceived and dissembled about joining us with Washington's military adventurism in Iraq, and it went on deceiving and dissembling, irrespective of the heightened threat to our national interest, to keep our minuscule presence there purely for the political pleasure of George Bush and his cronies.

Then when we reached the one time every three years of a people's audit, 4.6 in every 10 of us turned round and said, thank you, gimme the money and flog us for another three years. Most times, despite the thick and the avaricious and those who feel it's just all beyond them, we get it right as a nation.

Not this time. This time we've really buggered things. A politically immoral man who, by any civilised measure, disqualified himself from public life, has been given a pat on the back and even more power. This time the people's will has got it dreadfully wrong.

Now we all have to pay for the comfortable idiocy of the manipulated minority. And it is a minority: the 46 per cent who voted for the Coalition, or 4.6 in every 10. The other 5.4, in the main, wanted something better, and were denied by a lowest common denominator system in which all the spoils go to a degraded 50 per cent plus one.

I thought we had more brains, more self-respect. I was wrong in thinking enough voters "just might" see through the confidence trickery of John Howard, master illusionist and toad of a human being. I apologise for nothing.



incompetent in most everything except mediocrity
scheming, mendacious little man
A politically immoral man
toad of a human being


Now that's my kind of man! He speaks the truth! Doesn't mince words. Bravo!
But he'd better start watching his back, though ....
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:54 pm
So it isn't just here in the States that people vote without thinking. It boggles the mind that people whose lives are in much worse shape than ever before are still enthusiastic about Bush. I don't know about OZ, but I really don't know if our country can survive another four years of the Bush administration. Hm, what is the cost of living in Spain?

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How on earth could we have put this scheming, mendacious little man and his miserable claque back in office for another three years? Worse, how could we have brought them to the very brink of absolute control of the nation's entire parliamentary process and authority?


The similarities are creepy.
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 09:57 pm
Deb wrote:

Quote:
it allows the possibility for new parties to become major, if they can get enough support.


That is something worthwhile indeed. There is no chance for other parties to make any headway here. Their candidates aren't even allowed to debate the front runners, not that the debates have any real validity.
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moondoggy
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2004 11:38 pm
hey guys, i guess we're all lamenting the outcome. Here's a perceptive piece from David Marr that goes some way to explaining the outcome...
Quote:
Out to lunch with Australia's chattering classes
David Marr
MATP
541 words
1 October 2004
The Australian
Copyright 2004 News Ltd. All Rights Reserved

In the Overland lecture, Fairfax/ABC staffer David Marr laments that his dinner party conversations don't set the national agenda

WE were at it again the other night: a bunch of journalists, old friends and colleagues, eating, drinking and thrashing out the problems of the country. Over the years we've argued our way through the rise and fall of half a dozen governments, the collapse of the house of Fairfax and the passing of three or four regimes at the ABC. We've been at it through booms and busts. The ideological sharp edges have all been rubbed away. There are no Pollyannas left. None of us expects too much would change if the government changed in late 2004.

Around the table the other night, I was struck by the gap that's grown between the stories we're telling each other and the stories we're telling the public; between our talk and our work. Journalists spend their lives swapping stories that never see the light of day. But I'm talking about something else: the gap that's opened up between our take on these times and the pallid version presented in the media.

Much of the time the newspapers and networks we work for seem to be reporting another country and another government -- like our own, but not the Australia and the Howard Government it's our business to know. Creating this gap between private and public argument has been a major achievement of the Howard years. Newspapers and television have not been censored or bludgeoned. This is not Singapore: the Government is not wielding defamation laws against its critics. Yet the media is rattled...

Both sides of politics claim whatever galvanised Australia in the Tampa crisis can't be called racism because it was so pervasive, so popular. Manipulating race for electoral advantage is a hallmark of [John] Howard's Government but he insists on the right to cut down native title and turn back boats filled with Muslim refugees without this being named for what it is, without being accused of prejudice or bigotry, without being knocked off course by ... phony charges of racism.

And the press, itself scared of facing the xenophobia of this country, lets Howard get away with it. It's textbook political correctness: the demand that Australia's pervasive racism be shown democratic respect by leaving it unnamed.

Media proprietors read the same opinion polls as politicians. The same focus groups are telling newspapers what they want to read and political parties who they'll vote for. The popularity of what Howard did in the Tampa crisis explains, in part, the widespread failure of the media to grasp what was really going on here and cover these events the way they deserved.

There were honourable exceptions to this failure -- I particularly exempt The Australian and the ABC -- but to be working inside a newspaper [The Sydney Morning Herald] as this shameful episode in the country's history unfolded is to know the power of the media's willed indifference to issues of pure principle when these collide with overwhelming popular support.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 12:18 am
Thanks for posting that, moondoggy. I always respected David Marr & this piece is thought provoking & interesting, as was the one (above) by Alan Ramsey. (Maybe Ramsey's article was in reaction to years of the "willed indifference" that Marr mentions here? The time had come to just spew the truth out, because he couldn't stand the farce & the hypocrisy anymore?)

It's a very sad state of affairs when journalists censor their own interpretations of events, because they fear the consequences. What a conflicted attitude they must have to their work.

There were honourable exceptions to this failure -- I particularly exempt The Australian and the ABC -- but to be working inside a newspaper [The Sydney Morning Herald] as this shameful episode in the country's history unfolded is to know the power of the media's willed indifference to issues of pure principle when these collide with overwhelming popular support.

.. and look what happened to the ABC for reporting those events with honesty & with integrity! More cuts, more criticism, more board-stacking & witch hunts , more hostile scrutiny & "enquiries", more cuts ... Terrible.

If only there were a few viable alternatives to the established press. Even one! A 21st century version of The Nation Review, or Digger, which kept many of us sane & informed in the time leading to, & following, the 1975 coup!
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 12:25 am
Oops, I meant to say alan Ramsey above!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:32 am
Yep - this is my reson for hating the anti-political correctness movement - which is, as I say, the new "PC".

Using it as a bludgeon, turds like Howard, and Hanson, have made it hard to tell the truth about them - and, as Moonie says, about us.

Are we treating Aborigines like crap? Say it - and you are part of "The Aboriginal industry" with its "black armband view of history".

Vomit.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 01:33 am
And these bastards will pith the ABC. Our only brave mass medium.

Makes me want to bite.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 02:46 am
"Better a black armband than a white blindfold' - Sir Gustav Nossal
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 12 Oct, 2004 03:21 am
I will not hate. I will not hate. I will not hate.

But - I can cry.
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