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Hans_Goring wrote:Alright i am a new member here so this is a reply to all the hitler stuff. First what hitler should of done was finish off the western allies (ie. britain and resistances) Then after he had a proper puppet government in britain as he did in france, he should have tighted his grip on his allies (Finnland, Hungary, Rumania and all others he had) then by this time i believe that spain would have seen the weakness of the allied armies and therefore allie franco would have allied with germany.
"Finishing off" the western allies is not a thesis ammenable to be tossed out and moving on. In any scenario in which Hitler's forces do not leave continental Europe (i.e., supporting the Italians in North Africa), Britain has at its disposal six brigades from Australia, a New Zealand "super division" (it was a mechanized division nearly twice the size of a standard British infantry division of the day), a South African armored division, at least three Canadian divisions, and six to eight Indian infantry divisions as well as several mechanized and armored regiments--all of which forces existed before the war, completely equipped. A scenario of "finishing off" the western allies must necessarily ignore the resolve of Churchill in particular, and the English people in general. It ignores the huge resources available to England, while Germany was slowly starving for resources, petroleum in particular. It ignores that the conquered nations provided more than just local "insurgencies." Polish troops eventually numbered three infantry divisions and an armored brigade; Polish pilots made up 40% of the flyers in the Battle of Britain, and Americans, Canadians, Belgians, French, Norwegians and Danes all flew for the RAF; the Belgians provided an infantry brigade; despite bad relations, the French eventually provided more troops in the west, many from the African colonies, than any ally other than Britain and the United States. Tossing off the phrase "finishing off the western allies" demonstrates a lack of perspective on what would have been involved in such an effort.
Finland was an ally on in so far as they wanted help to throw the Soviets out of their country. Having reached their 1938 borders, they refused to advance any further, and nothing the Germans could do would alter that. They'd have made a pact with Satan himself to get the Soviets out, but they were dedicated to their own sense of justice in the matter, and invasion of the Soviet Union was simply not on the table. Hungary and Rumania were allies largely by coercision. Admiral Hrothy refused to deport Hungarian Jews to Germany, and neither of these nations made substantial contributions to the invasion of Russia. Mere numbers mean nothing--when the river froze over at Stalingrad after November 14, 1942, the Soviet Guards divisions poured across, and shattered a Roumanian army in a matter of hours, surrounding and cutting off the German 6th Army in Stalingrad in a matter of days. The Hungarian, Roumanian and Italian troops in Russia were never reliable front-line troops, and their only useful contribution was to occupy portions of the line in what were considered "quiet" sectors. In particular, the Germans coerced Roumania because of their petroleum resources. The Wehrmacht depended heavily upon horses, and throughout the war, the Germans were operating from hand to mouth in the matter of petroleum.
Franco headed the Falange. Although it is always, and not unfairly, identified as facist, there was no natural affinity between the Spanish and the Germans. In fact, a Falange volunteer division did serve in the Soviet Union with the Germans. The notion that Franco would have thrown significant military force onto the German side, especially after the devastating civil war of the late 1930's, is unrealistic.
Quote:Oh and by the way in the time while this is all happeneing hitler is conducting a massive breeding program of the german race which will be the occupiers of hitlers new european territories.
You really do like that old boy Hitler, don't ya. The "massive breeding" program to which you refer, even if more than a pipe-dream of racist Germans, would have done little good in that contemporary situation. Hitler became Chancellor in 1933. Children born then and thereafter would not reach adulthood until 1951 or later--fully a decade after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. This is such nonsense, i hardly know if it is to be taken seriously.
Quote:Also on another note i agree his declaration of war on the U.S. was stupid but it was only pe-mature. he should have waited t'ill they were deep in japaneese territory to declare war.
Japan did nothing to aid German in that war. In fact, they concluded an armistice with the Soviet Union which freed a significantly substantial number of troops to be shipped to the west. There was absolutely no value for Germany in a declaration of war against the United States, neither in 1941 or later. Such a declaration was stupid, in 1941, and at any time thereafter. I can't imagin what you mean by "deep in japanese territory," but in fact, the United States did not at any time occupy Japanese territory until the Japanese had capitulated, unless one counts the mandates--and a flimsier basis for considering this "deep in japanese territory" i could not imagine. American resources deployed to the Pacific were primarily naval and air power resources; in Europe, the necessary resources were land forces and air forces. As far as air forces go, we demonstrated that we had sufficient means for both theaters. As far as land forces go, air superiority allowed Eisenhower to operate for long periods of time with fewer troops on the ground than the Germans disposed of. A German declaration of war on the United States was stupid at any time, for any reason.
Anyway hitler now attackes the U.S.S.R. with his axis and allies which would literally rip apart russia and would surrender very soon after. Also I would have italy and spain occupy the russians more eastern terrirory.
Now at this time he would have swept into africa talken it and the arabian states and then probably even china (Japan would have left to fight the americans)
Quote:Then at this time the americans would have discovered the nuke along with the Nazi's and we would have still gone into a cold war.
The Allies were worried that the Germans would have developed a nuke, but that program wasn't even close. Your Nazi-Allies cold war suggestion is a chimera.
Quote:Inconclusion the nazi's by the 1955 could have had all of europe africa and lots of asia and with engough forces to take out the states (probaby end up in nuklear holocaust killing everyone though)
Hitler would have illegalized marrage between none nordic people and boosted his own efforts of making the master race.
But in the end the US would have givin because they would have been in a very lage sieg. with the germans having superrior resourses he would have raped the U.S.
You are in such a grip of Nazi fantasy as to have made most of this incoherent. Germany's problem throughout the war was a lack of resources. The scenario you paint could only have occured if the Soviet Union were successfully invaded and defeated, and that simply was not going to happen. Germany never controlled very much of Africa, and Asia not at all. You let your imagination run away with you, and apparently because you think a Nazi victory would have been a glorious thing.
Quote:Oh one last thing a Naz would have been the first man on the moon (since the americans stole all the nazi rocket scientists who got them up there in the first place!
thank you all fro allowing me to get that all out.
I go along with Au here, it seems you idolize the Nazis--you certainly demonstate a complete lack of historical perspective, and little depth of knowledge of even the general history of the period.
