@Frank Apisa,
please don't keep this going - are you trying to ruin a2k in a short time sequence?
If you want a timur/frank thread, start one. Please leave the rest of us in relative peace.
And same to you, Timur. I tend to be on your side after years of Frank, but really, none of this is useful and it is bludgeonly distructive for conversation for the rest of us. Sort of like a hungry hyena cage.
Please, in any case, don't put it into this new thread, make your own on the subject that engages both of you.