Bernie's In

Thanks.

Did you read past I WAS WRONG?

I do admit to pausing a bit over that part. Of course I read the whole thing.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/56201d82e4b06462a13b719d?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&section=politics
Bernie meets privately with Sandra Bland's mom. And I love him more.

Your reading comprehension isent for shyt. I said I dont pay any attention to polls. Not that I dont read extensively both domestic media and foreign. Unlike you I dont think that if I think it it is automatically true. Infallibility isent my strong point.

Right you are. How the questions are posed can predetermine the out come of polls and most just give the percentages, not the questions.

http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/presidential-debates-matter-more-than-you-think

Who won and why.

Screen capture. Also: first it was there, there it wasn't.

http://www.emediaworld.com/politics/sanders-won-the-cnn-poll-but-you-must-see-this.html



Sanders has not only won every single poll, he’s done so by a large margin. Even more important is the fact that Sanders won all three focus group polls. This is unprecedented because a focus group is a form of scientific qualitative research that gathers undecided or uncommitted voters for the purpose of evaluating the candidates’ performance in the debates — Sanders won in the eyes of the people.

1. C-SPAN: Sanders (7.2k) |Clinton (938)
2. TIME: Sanders 60% | Clinton 12%
3. CNN: Sanders 81% | Clinton 12%
4. Drudge: Sanders 61% (126,448 votes) | Clinton 6.74% (13,925 votes)
5. Dailykos: Sanders 59% (7,970 votes) | Clinton 34% (4,659 votes)
6. Slate: Sanders 75% | Clinton 18%
7. Syracuse: Sanders 78.11% (3,190 votes) | Clinton 15.77% (644 votes)
8. Fox5: Sanders 77.35% (30,248) | Clinton 15.86% (6,204 votes)
9. MSNBC: Sanders 81% | Clinton 12%
10. Wishtv8: Sanders 77.65% | Clinton 13.15%
11. Advocate: Sanders 77% | Clinton 19%
12. Nationalreview: Sanders 558 votes | Clinton 39 votes
13. 9news: Sanders 8.9k votes | Clinton 2.2k votes
14. Wwnc: Sanders 78% | Clinton 15%
15. Philadelphia.cbslocal: Sanders 81.03% | Clinton 14.56%
16. Postonpolitics: Sanders 84% | Clinton 10%
17. AJC: Sanders +225 -20 | Clinton +62 -108
18. Controversialtimes: Sanders 84.42 | Clinton 10.39
19. Tcpalm: Sanders 74% | Clinton 18%
20. WRIC 8NEWS: Sanders 75% | Clinton 6%
21. WGY: Sanders 68% | Clinton 12%

All three focus groups declared Sanders the victor.

1. Frank Luntz Focus Group: “The participants agreed overwhelmingly that Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders was the big winner at the first Democratic debate.”
2. Fusion Focus Group: “Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders was the most popular candidate among a group of young registered Democrats responding to Tuesday’s Democratic presidential debate in Las Vegas. The panel voted 8 to 3 for Sanders against the runner-up Hillary Clinton, with one panellist saying it was a tie between the two.”
3. CNN Focus Group: “Majority of CNN Focus Group Think Sanders Won First Debate”

Time Warner Inc owns CNN.
Time Warner Inc is Hillary’s 7th biggest financial supporter.
CNN is posting all over that Hillary won the debate.
CNN’s own polls show that 81% of their viewers think Bernie won.
CNN will not even post the results of their own poll.

If this isn’t some Orwellian 1984 behavior, I don’t know what is. We need to show corporations that we’re not taking the manipulation any more. ‪

CNN, under direct supervision of its parent company TimeWarner, are turning into Fox News-style news by only providing a biased look at the current presidential election. Ignoring dozens of feedback polls that indicated Sen. Bernie Sanders won the first democratic debate by a landslide, CNN has done all it can to promote HRC and is losing the trust of the people.

We will not know till we have the tracking polls early next week. They should be about done collecting now. If the corporate propaganda media is right they will show that Hillary has a good jump in support. The polls that ask " who won the debate?" (real polling, not internet snap polls) are so far as I have seen so far coming back with the answer "Clinton", but I dont put too much stock in those.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/nbc-online-poll-clinton-wins-debate-reenergizes-core-backers-n445546

This indicates that the elite are going to have a problem next week. If immediately after the corporate propaganda machines nearly universally won in a landslide a third if the viewers say they think Sanders won then the power of suggestion did not fully work at least.

No, He Can’t
Why Bernie Sanders' "Political Revolution" Doesn't Have a Chance

"...the only way we can get things done is by having millions of people coming together.” Sanders will build so much enthusiasm and inspire so many voters that he’ll come to office with the votes he needs to pursue his plans.

But there’s a problem. We’ve seen this story before.

Barack Obama entered office on a Democratic wave. He won a strong majority of the popular vote—flipping Republican states like Indiana and North Carolina—and helped Democrats win 255 seats in the House of Representatives and 56 seats in the Senate. With a sure mandate and a largely unified party, Obama was primed for success....

...Put differently, President Obama entered office under the best circumstances for any Democrat since Lyndon Johnson won a landslide in the 1964 presidential election. Yet his core priorities nearly crashed on the rocks of Republican opposition and political venality....

...a Sanders win would necessarily bring the kind of wave that would give him votes for his policies.
But this is blind to reality. Compromise is a distant shore. The Democratic Party has moved to the left, and the Republican Party has made a sharp turn to the right, guided by two generations of conservative revolutionaries, from Newt Gingrich to the Tea Party tidal wave of 2010. If you watched the Republican and Democratic debates back to back, you’d be forgiven for thinking they described two different countries.

What’s more, as demonstrated by the GOP presidential race—as well as the leadership fracas in the House of Representatives—many Republicans (57 percent, according to the Pew Research Center) reject compromise full stop. The world where Donald Trump and Ben Carson lead the GOP presidential race is not a world where Republican voters would support a Democratic president or assent to his policies.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/bernie_sanders_theory_of_change_isn_t_serious_the_vermont_senator_s_political.html

Scary and true.. unless there is a greater level of action by what I would call normal old time Republicans to talk their talk. But some of the smarter ones of those are leaving, for good reason. They go to other parties.

Sorry, Bernie fans: The polls are coming in, and it looks like Clinton won the debate

By that logic,

Who on the Republican side has a chance?

Like anybody's going to believe them now. Bernie won.

I wonder if the earlier polls favored Bernie, and the later ones favored Clinton. I suspect that people who participated in some of those polls didn't actually watch the debate... relying instead on what the pundits said.

Not everyone is wrapped into political online news and polls. They just listen to the news. But the proof will be in not in the debate polls but the presidential polls between Hillary and Sanders. If his numbers don't improve a whole lot, then the insiders may have gotten it right about the debate performance of each.