Bernie's In

Trump is the revolutionary choice, Sanders is the professor handing out morality lectures and candy (more hand outs directed by government). Both are persona non grata according to the elite, so lets at least give Sanders points for that.

Trump tries to cash in the discontent. He's not the real deal; rather he is a con. Sanders is the real deal. If you are indeed a socialist, rather than a poseur, you should listen to him with a little more openness.

My openness is fine, I simply reach different conclusions. Sanders has a stubborn streak but he in ineffective and he is a wimp. He is fine for writing books and giving speeches, but not for leading a revolution. Trump is the guy who is going to knock heads together and try new ways to solve old problems. And dont think I dont like Sanders ideas.....I have been talking about "justice" system reform for ages just for one example, though the $15 min wage and extensive new benefits to low skill workers will destroy the ability of this nation to compete so only an idiot would want to do it, but his ideas on government and justice are sound . Reforming the finance system should have been done in 2010 but The Professor could not be bothered, so we should do it. Spending a bunch on money on guesses on what we need to do about carbon is lame, but I know I probably lose that argument since people are stupid and scared.

Naaah. He will run America like one of his companies, siphon the money, bankrupt it, and then try and start over somewhere else. Greece maybe...

Exactly right: tRump is a rabblerouser and Bernie is a populist. They both speak to the "unwashed". tRump to their guts - Bernie to their hearts and minds.

How Bernie Sanders Makes His Mega-Rallies - Politico
How Bernie Sanders makes his mega-rallies
Bernie’s campaign has been channeling grassroots enthusiasm into massive rallies. Now, it’s working to whip all those supporters into a sophisticated political machine.
By Ben Schreckinger - Politico
8/19/15 5:43 AM EDT

http://images.politico.com/global/2015/08/19/150818_bernie_sanders_rally_ap_11601_1160x629.jpg
AP Photo

<snip>

RENO, Nev. — Twenty-seven hours before Bernie Sanders recited his case for “political revolution” to 4,500 supporters at the local branch of the state university here on Tuesday night, the first of the Sander-istas had already wandered in from the desert.

Bearded, he wore a t-shirt in the style of Shepard Fairey’s iconic image of Barack Obama — emblazoned instead with Sanders’ face and the message, “Hope is nice, but I prefer no bullsh—.” It was mid-afternoon on Monday, and the volunteer training did not begin until 7 p.m. But Paul Sherman, 68, was on campus and eager to help.

By the time the training rolled around, another 100-odd Sander-istas had materialized to learn the ropes of running a political rally on the fly. A day later they would be manning checkpoints, directing foot traffic, registering voters, collecting data on attendees, hawking merchandise and distributing water. A volunteer pep squad would give out campaign signs and lead cheers.

This is how the Summer of Sanders — the string of unexpectedly large campaign rallies that’s exceeding even Barack Obama’s 2007 draws with attendance that often numbers in the tens of thousands — has come together.

Finding no shortage of willing supporters, the campaign for the 73-year-old Vermont senator has raced to channel the enthusiasm of a largely self-organizing movement into massive, attention-grabbing rallies.

“They’ve reversed the normal political formula” in which professional staffers take the lead and pound the phone to drum up crowds, said Chip Evans, a liberal radio host and former chairman of the Washoe County Democratic Party, who watched the event take shape and said he was struck by the extent to which it had been organized by local amateurs.

Now, the campaign is working to...

<snip>

More: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-rallies-2016-grassroots-support-121512.html

All the fear about the GOP squawking about a democrat/socialist bringing us communism is so early 1950's, a product of a fair part of our population being ignorant about government systems now, 75 years later.

This is such a sad commentary that I think about occasionally. If Bernie is the nominee, there is a category of GOPers that are licking their lips in the shadows, thinking all they have to do is say these words and Bernie will incinerate.

I'm not giving in to them - or to the cowardly so-called Democrats who quake on the sidelines and would actually vote for someone they don't trust, don't like, and don't believe in because they are afraid to step out into the world and campaign for the shining beacon of progressivism and honesty.

Those words. I've already started doing battle with them...because ultimately you hit the nail on the head, osso. Either we stand up like people and talk about it with dumbasses around us - or we let them rule the world.

The corporations can't have it all - and neither can the dumbasses.

Some of the people calling others "dumbasses"...are in fact, dumbasses.

The presidency has to be won by a Democrat in 2016...or it will be won by a Republican. If it is won by a Republican...the Supreme Court is gone for decades to come.

There are dumbasses who want to take that chance, I acknowledge that.

Cooler, more intelligent heads will prevail...and Bernie Sanders will not be the nominee...although the Republicans are almost certainly licking their lips hoping the very brave people who want to bet the ranch on a long, long, long shot...get their way.

They won't.

The people they are calling cowards will save their worthless butts from the ill-conceived nonsense they are fomenting.

The Supreme Court will be a bloody battlefield.

Frank, What you are saying is basically "nominate Hillary Clinton or the country gets destroyed."

This isn't politics, it's extortion.

I don't believe that Bernie Sanders has any less chance than Barack Obama did.

I also am not sure that Hillary Clinton will be that much worse than Jeb Bush. The good part about Jeb Bush is that there will be a chance to elect a progressive Democrat into the White House in 2020. The last time Clinton was in the White House it was horrible for progressive Democrats.

Anyway, the Supreme Court isn't going anywhere. There will be a Supreme Court in Washington no matter who takes the White House next year. Kennedy and Roberts were nominated by Republicans.

it is cheap manipulation , and if we cant see that and cant refuse to be the victim, then **** us, we deserve what ever we get.

Sometimes you just gotta sock the bully in the nose.

This is one of those times.

Meantime, someone at the Chicago Tribune addressed this today -

worth a read, to me:

Are Democrats Really Socialists?
by Steve Chapman

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84241831/

Why Surprising Numbers of Republicans Have Been Voting for Bernie Sanders in Vermont



If ends up being the Democratic nominee for president, his GOP opponent is going to have a very hard time beating him.
By Thom Hartmann / AlterNet
August 18, 2015

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-surprising-numbers-republicans-have-been-voting-bernie-sanders-vermont

Ann Coulter knows who she wants to be the Democratic nominee for president, and who that person is, well, it may surprise you.

She wants Hillary Clinton to be the nominee, and thinks that if Bernie gets the nod, he'll beat whoever the Republicans come up with to run against him.

You won't hear me say this often, but Ann Coulter is right.

If Bernie Sanders ends up being the Democratic nominee for president, and it looks more and more every day like he will be, his Republican opponent is going to have a very hard time beating him.

And that's because of all the Democratic candidates running, Bernie Sanders has the best chance of capturing Republican votes.

I've seen how Bernie does this, up close and personal.

Despite its reputation as a place filled with liberal hippies, Vermont, like most of rural northern New England, is home to a lot of conservatives.

Anyone running for statewide office there needs to win these conservatives' votes, and Bernie is great at doing that.

Back in 2000 when Louise and I were living in Vermont, it wasn't all that uncommon to see his signs on the same lawn as signs that said "W for President."

Seriously, I'm not kidding.

And as NPR's "Morning Edition" found out last year, some of Bernie's biggest fans are in Vermont's Northeast Kingdom, the poorest and most conservative part of the state.

It's people from the Northeast Kingdom who've overwhelmingly elected Bernie to almost 20 years in Congress and two straight terms as senator, and it's people like them in the rest of the country who will probably send Bernie to the White House if he gets the Democratic nomination for president.

So why is that?

Why is Bernie Sanders, a socialist, so popular with people who should hate "socialism?"

The answer is pretty simple.

While Americans disagree on social issues like gay marriage and abortion, they're actually pretty unified on the bread and butter economic issues that Bernie has made the core of his campaign.

In fact, a recent poll by the Progressive Change Institute, shows that Americans overwhelmingly agree with Bernie on key issues like education, health care and the economy.

Like Bernie, 75 percent of Americans poll support fair trade that "protects workers, the environment and jobs."

Seventy-one percent support giving all students access to a debt-free college education.

Seventy-one percent support a massive infrastructure spending program aimed at rebuilding our broken roads and bridges, and putting people back to work.

Seventy percent support expanding Social Security.

Fifty-nine percent support raising taxes on the wealthy so that millionaires pay the same amount in taxes as they did during the Reagan administration.

Fifty-eight percent support breaking up the big banks.

Fifty-five percent support a financial transaction or Robin Hood tax.

Fifty-one percent support single payer health care, and so and so on.

Pretty impressive, right?

And here's the thing - supporting Social Security, free college, breaking up the big banks, aren't "progressive" policies, they're just common sense, and 60 years ago they would have put Bernie Sanders smack dab in the mainstream of my father's Republican Party.

This is why Ann Coulter is so scared of Bernie becoming the Democratic nominee.

She knows that he speaks to the populist, small "d" democratic values that everyday Americans care about, regardless of their political affiliation.

That's the really radical part of Bernie's 2016 campaign, and what's what maybe, just maybe, might make him the 45th President of the United States.

Thom Hartmann is an author and nationally syndicated daily talk show host. His newest book is "The Crash of 2016: The Plot to Destroy America — and What We Can Do to Stop It."

Actually...I have never said anything of that sort. I AM saying "nominate someone other than Sanders or Warren...because neither of them has a chance of winning the presidency right now."

Why are you making stuff like that up, Max. You should be above that.



Okay...that is fine by me. But I think people who "believes" Bernie Sanders has a chance at all...are kidding themselves.

Do you mind if I have that thought?






I personally think Hillary Clinton would make a fine president...but if it were someone else who knocked her out of the running, I have no problem.

Why are you suggesting that I am saying "Hillary Clinton or nobody?"



Huh???

I can't speak for everyone, but the reason I am not going to vote for Bernie Sanders is because I have a couple of small issue of disagreements of which I have already listed.

Personally I think this is the summer of Bernie and it is not going to last. I could be wrong but I hope not.

Bernie Sanders’ Red State Revolution Causes 2 SC Rallies To Move To Bigger Venues
By: Jason Easley
Wednesday, August, 19th, 2015, 3:34 pm

The demand to see Bernie Sanders is so high that his campaign was forced to move two rallies in South Carolina to larger locations.

In a statement, the Sanders campaign announced that two upcoming rallies in South Carolina had to be moved to larger venues after crowd projections outgrew the original locations.

The Sanders campaign announced, “With turnout projections mounting, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign has shifted the location of Sunday’s rally in Charleston, South Carolina, to the Charleston Convention Center. The two-day swing includes stops in Greenville, Columbia and Sumter.”

Bernie Sanders has found fantastic success in red states. Sanders has drawn big crowds in Texas and Louisana, and he drew a then 2016 record crowd when 11,000 showed up to support him at a rally in Arizona.

There is a valuable lesson about the generalities of political polarization in what Sen. Sanders is accomplishing. The Sanders message that the government must work for ordinary Americans and that the billionaires and special interests must be defeated in order to return power back to the people is a natural fit for many residents of red states.

more
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/19/bernie-sanders-red-state-revolution-2-sc-rallies-move-bigger-venues.html

Honestly Revel, I have areas of disagreement with every declared and potential candidate out there. Some of them are small issues and some are quite large.

Vote democratic for president and vote often and remind all your democratic friends to also vote. And remind your republican friends that election day is November 9th.

I only vote once per candidate.