maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 03:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The word "socialism" was being thrown around 2007 to refer to Obama. Obama was still elected. (And Bernie doesn't have a Muslim middle name.)
korkamann
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 04:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
My patience is severely limited.

Likely explaining why you dont ever seem to get further than the Clinton PR machine tripe.


Hawkeye10, I'm in no mood to deal with a skunk right now. Go find someone else to stink up.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 04:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
“That’s what they want…to turn us into a socialist nation,” will ring out loud and clear at every opportunity.


Considering how we have tended to socialize the losses of the alleged capitalists a deep conversation on socialism would be very helpful.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 04:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Best to minimize the impact by not giving Bernie any more room in this thing.


And the media keeps talking about Trump burning out too. Could happen, but my take is that the elite have still no clue just how lowly they are regarded by the masses. They keep acting like THe Professor, always sure that they can save the day with some great words and slick commercials. Maybe not now, but one day that will no longer work. I dont discount the possibility that come nov 2016 our choices will be Trump/Sanders.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 04:15 pm
@korkamann,
korkamann wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
My patience is severely limited.

Likely explaining why you dont ever seem to get further than the Clinton PR machine tripe.


Hawkeye10, I'm in no mood to deal with a skunk right now. Go find someone else to stink up.




I am well aware of how your flavor of ignorance gets perpetuated.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 04:29 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

The word "socialism" was being thrown around 2007 to refer to Obama. Obama was still elected. (And Bernie doesn't have a Muslim middle name.)


Yeah, Max...some people really want to learn things the hard way.

Only thing is "the hard way" will damn near ruin America for decades to come.

But...go at it.

I think you folk will never succeed in getting Sanders to the ticket...although I acknowledge that "miracles" can happen. If the miracle is Sanders on the ticket...it will be a butt kicking of the Dems of Biblical proportions.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 04:33 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Only thing is "the hard way" will damn near ruin America for decades to come.

We are already ruined. Now it is time for conversations and plans for the fixing. The most dangerous people are the ones who dont feel that they have anything to lose, the American elite need to figure out that the masses are getting there fast. Even now they assume that we would not seriously consider Sanders or Trump. They, and you, might be surprised.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 04:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Ok Frank, Bring it on!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 04:44 pm
What finally did in the elite, the last straw, was the Great Recession. It was caused by incompetent risk taking, which was bad enough, but almost ten years after we still are no where close to being OK, and the elite not only dont have any plans they are also not even admitting what we all can plainly see for ourselves...that this economy is deeply sick.

We have lost faith in our leaders.

We will adjust.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 05:39 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Ok Frank, Bring it on!



No need to "bring it on", Max.

We will find out a year from November.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 05:40 pm
@Frank Apisa,
We will find it several months earlier than that. I am trusting that since you are wrong about Bernies ability to win the primary, you will be wrong about the general election too.

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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 09:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

What finally did in the elite, the last straw, was the Great Recession.


Which elite are you talking about? Could it be the Clintons? They weren't done in by the so great "great recession". They made at least $15 million during the past year.

THe Kennedy's of Massachusetts might be in the elite. They certainly were not done in during the recession.

The Obamas became part of the elite after Mr. Obama was elected, but he's not in the upper, upper part of the real elite of this country. The real elite are those who donate $250 million( or more) to build a medical school or a research institute.

Zuckerman and his wife are becoming a part of the elite ...but still have a long way to go. Nevertheless, he and his wife have made extremely large donations of money to hospitals and charities.

I still don't know which elite, you've been talking about.

The people who suffered during the recession and are still suffereing are those, who lost their jobs, their homes, and for some even their lives. They were members of the lower-middle class and the middle class, which included those doing hard labor as well as those who were white collar professionals.

Uneducated and unskilled makes for a very unpromising future in the US for many Americans and these folks were never part of the "elite" because they never had the financial resources necessary to overcome financial hardships.

One problem among the middleclass during the recession and even today, is their inability to save money, even when they are fully employed. They don't seem able to make sacrifices. Had they lived during the Great DEPRESSION, they would have starved to death.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 10:26 pm
@Miller,
Quote:
I still don't know which elite, you've been talking about.


Anyone who has either wealth or expert credentials or positions of power over me. Somewhere along the way many of these people decided that they are free to use their power over me and others to try to force us to live our lives as they want us to, They use their power to take my liberty and my ability to seek happiness as my will desires. The elite specialize in lectures/guilt trips/ lies about facts. The elite also use their power to get the society to do things that are not in the societies interest, often for profit, and often executed by telling lies as they trot out their "expert" credentials. .

I thought you were a doctor then I heard that you are not but in any case doctors offend me when

1) during every office visit I get asked " are you being abused at home?". Answer. "that is none of your business, If I am and want help I will get help, and that will not be you"

2) claiming to know what we should eat, and then it almost always turns out that there was no science to back the claims, and oh ya, the claims are wrong.

3) getting into bed with big pharma for profit

4) driving up healthcare costs by doing so many tests that serve little to no purpose.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2015 10:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
The genesis of my hostility towards the elite started late 80's when I kept hearing complete BS coming out of Washington and I look around and no one seems to be saying a thing. I was like "there are thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who know that is a lie, why is everyone quiet?" I thought it was due to weakness, no one who knew better had the stones to speak truth. I eventually realized that very often these alleged experts did not know much of anything, lied about what they did know, and were on the take. It boiled down to a whole lot of "experts" were charlatans and/or selling out the collective good for personal profit. This was not and is not OK with me.

Fast forward to 2015 and answer me this: with all of the liars and losers asking to be president, all of them are pretty worthless, why am I not hearing millions upon millions of highly educated people decrying that our choices are an insult to America? Why is it that all I hear is "my liar/ loser is better than your liar/loser"? Why is major media so biased and by all appearances out of touch? Why is it that when I hear "excuse me Washington but things are really fucked up" I am likely hearing it from someone who never finished even one of our crappy state universities? The uneducated get it, the educated either dont or are silent, and very seldom will you see the truth talked about anywhere in the open in America.

That is a problem for me.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2015 02:29 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
That is a problem for me.


And the brilliant solution you have devised to deal with it is.....?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2015 02:39 am
@Frank Apisa,
Revolution.


You might recall me saying when I showed up that I am an ex revolutionary who gave up on politics and went into soul work and helping people work. Robert did a log post mocking me for saying I am anything revolutionary, as I am he said a stupid attention seeking bore. I told him that he was wrong. He was.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2015 03:37 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Revolution.


You might recall me saying when I showed up that I am an ex revolutionary who gave up on politics and went into soul work and helping people work. Robert did a log post mocking me for saying I am anything revolutionary, as I am he said a stupid attention seeking bore. I told him that he was wrong. He was.


Ahhh...revolution.

It may come to that.

But as the one mouse said to the other mice, "So...who is gonna put the bell on the cat?"
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2015 03:42 am
@Frank Apisa,
I have not completely given up on reform, but I give that 5%. After all, if we have not been willing to be honest and deal with our problems till now then why should we expect it to happen now? And have you looked at the stable of people who want to be our President?

You are right, Professor Bernie is not going to get far unless Hillary completely falls apart and the D's dont bring in someone (NOW PLEASE!), But TRUMP? Watch out for that son of a bitch.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2015 03:46 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Fast forward to 2015 and answer me this: with all of the liars and losers asking to be president, all of them are pretty worthless, why am I not hearing millions upon millions of highly educated people decrying that our choices are an insult to America? Why is it that all I hear is "my liar/ loser is better than your liar/loser"? Why is major media so biased and by all appearances out of touch?


You're goddamn right.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2015 03:48 am
@hawkeye10,
You're goddamn right again. Revolution.

That's why people are massing around Bernie Sanders. Many people consider that Step #1. It's better than doing nothing.
 

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