Lash
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:00 pm
What a crazy time to be alive. The Pope has invited my Secular Jewish Socialist Democratic presidential candidate to the Vatican to discuss economics.

I just want to stare at that sentence for a few minutes and see if it will sink in.

Rich times.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35999269
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:06 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Coming back to the Daily News interview, Bernie's unambiguous message about Israel need to withdraw from occupied territories was great, i think. Anyone knows what Hillary's position is on that?

As far as I can tell, Mr. Sanders' position on the issue is that Israel should withdraw from the West Bank in exchange for peace, but ONLY in exchange for peace. No peace with Israel means no withdrawal from any land.

As far as I can tell, Mrs. Clinton's position on the issue is that Israel should withdraw from the West Bank in exchange for peace, but ONLY in exchange for peace. No peace with Israel means no withdrawal from any land.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:08 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
You have bought into the hype, hook line and sinker big time. Bernie was farthest thing from unambiguous when it came implementing what he said because he said Israel would be in charge of the decision to pull back which in the end means nothing would in fact be done.

Well, nothing will be done so long as the Palestinians refuse to make peace with Israel.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:09 pm
I loathe that the Pope was in our Capitol, and I loathe that a presidential candidate is going to the Vatican.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:11 pm
@Brand X,
Ugh. Really bad day, huh.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:13 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Not sure i get what you mean. Israel needs to withdraw from the West Bank. So yeah, it's up to them.

There is no such need without a corresponding Palestinian willingness to make peace.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:34 pm
Even though, sadly, Clinton has lost her enormous lead to six points, I hope she hangs on to it until June and wins California. Hopefully, surely soon, she will galvanize and get out of this funk and quit letting narrative be directed from Bernie Sanders who I think will be bad for the country simply because he is a one horse candidate with no clear idea of how to bring out anything he himself campaigns on.

Go ahead, thumb me down. Kind of catchy isn't? Maybe a song can made out of it.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:43 pm
http://usuncut.com/politics/michelle-alexander-clinton-blm-rant/
On Thursday, the former President of the United States was heckled by Black Lives Matter activists during a campaign rally in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The protesters were demonstrating against Clinton’s 1994 crime bill and his 1996 welfare cuts, which protesters said decimated the black community. Clinton responded by doubling down on his wife’s “superpredator” comments, telling the protesters they were defending murderers and drug dealers.

The next day, Clinton said he would “almost want to” apologize for his comments, stopping short of actually apologizing.

Ohio State University law professor Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow, took the former president to task in a scathing Facebook post on Friday, starting off by thanking Clinton for revealing his true colors.

“Thank you, Bill, for giving the nation a ten-minute tutorial on everything that was wrong (and apparently remains wrong) with the ‘New Democrats’ and their approach to racial politics,” Alexander wrote.

She then went on to talk about how Clinton’s strategy to win the White House was based on a racist appeal to white independent voters by convincing them that he could take even more of a hardline approach to crime than his Republican predecessors — something Clinton and his surrogates in the media argue was supported by the black community.

It is a gross distortion to suggest that black people wanted billions of dollars slashed from child welfare, housing and other public benefits in order to fund an unprecedented prison building boom. It was Bill Clinton’s deliberate political strategy — one he championed along with the “New Democrats” — to appeal to white swing voters by being tougher on struggling black communities than the Republicans had been, ramping up the drug war and gutting welfare.

She continued to excoriate Bill Clinton for driving a wedge between the protesters and Clinton supporter U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) by saying, “You can listen to [the protesters], or you can listen to Congressman John Lewis, the last remaining hero of the civil rights movement.”

Alexander pointed out that Rep. Lewis himself was a fierce opponent of Clinton’s endeavor to “reform welfare as we know it.”

That strategy of “getting tough” while at the same time eviscerating the federal social safety net was NOT supported by many of the black politicians he seeks to use as cover. Rep. John Lewis (who Clinton referred to yesterday as the “last remaining hero of the civil rights movement”) fiercely opposed welfare reform, accurately predicting that it would thrust more than a million more kids into severe poverty.

John Lewis said back then: “How can any person of faith, of conscience, vote for a bill that puts a million more kids into poverty? What does it profit a great nation to conquer the world, only to lose its soul?”

Alexander and Lewis are right. As the Huffington Post recently reported, up to 1 million people will soon lose their access to food stamps as a result of Clinton’s 1996 welfare cuts. The law includes provisions that cut food stamps after a certain period of time for unemployed welfare recipients with no dependents.

At the bill’s signing ceremony, Clinton himself even admitted the bill “fails to provide Food Stamp support to childless adults who want to work, but cannot find a job or are not given the opportunity to participate in a work program.”

“These totally unnecessary cuts would increase demand on the nation’s charitable food system at a time when food banks and other hunger-relief groups are stretched to meet sustained high need,” Feeding America CEO Diana Aviv said in a public statement.

At the end of her post, Michelle Alexander congratulated the protesters for “fighting for the soul of the Democratic party and American democracy itself.”
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:43 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I mean he said more or less what US presidents have been saying for years in recent history. All of them say the settlements are illegal but none of them support anything in the UN to do anything about it.

That's because until the Palestinians are willing to make peace, there is nothing to do.

Land for peace doesn't mean Israel gives up land and Palestinians keep on murdering them.


revelette2 wrote:
Every time a vote comes up with anything to do with Israel and Palestinians we either abstain or vote no against the Palestinians.

And rightly so. Those UN resolutions are blatantly anti-Semitic.


revelette2 wrote:
Bernie proposes more of the same.

Good for him.


revelette2 wrote:
I think an international effort should be underway to force them to withdrawal in whatever means is necessary to do it so that when or if the day ever comes when Palestinians get their own state they don't start out being cheated because Israel stole their lands.

Edit, hopefully and more than likely by peaceful means and international agreements.

I often hear people post their dreams of Israel being forced into an untenable position. I always point out that if Israel ever were backed into a corner this way, they will shoot their way out of it. The people who dream of trapping Israel never listen though.

Most of the time, these dreams never come to pass and Israel never gets backed into a corner. But rarely they do. And as I always tell people, when it happens Israel simply shoots their way out of it. Israel never suffers any negative repercussions for having done so, although the people who were dreaming of Israel being trapped are always quite distraught over the outcome.

A good example of this was the flotilla nonsense. Instead of Israel being forced to let the flotilla pass, a bunch of people got killed, and the people who were hoping to see Israel harmed instead got to whine about the dead people.

With that in mind, I tell you this. Should anyone ever succeed in putting Israel in a situation where they will be forced to withdraw from the West Bank without also securing peace with the Palestinians, Israel will react with massive violence, and you will not like the result one bit. And Israel will suffer no negative repercussions for having done so.

This will apply even if the effort to trap Israel comes from peaceful means and international agreements.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 04:59 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
In 2011 he did say the settlements should go back to the 1967 borders but then he said, perhaps agreed upon swaps.

Any return to 1967 borders will include land swaps. There is nothing new about that.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 05:17 pm
@Blickers,
A primer on the facts about Bill Clinton, economics, and black Americans.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35999269

His callous disregard for their lives is still affecting them today.
Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 06:08 pm
@Lash,
So, you link yet another Clinton critic who lies. Guess what-there are plenty of economists who don't buy the "stock market bubble" explanation for the prosperity during the Clinton years. The Republicans were screaming it while the economy improved and improved during Bill Clinton's term, of course, because they had nothing else to scream about. 2 Million new Full Time jobs yearly is a very nice number, so naturally the GOP has to claim that it was all an illusion, because the other side had the White House. Now the Bernie boys have to adopt the old, worn out GOP shibboleths to try to smear Bill, and indirectly, Hillary.

Meanwhile, we eagerly await for you to link a Clinton critic who even admits that 2 Million new Full Time jobs were gained annually during Clinton's term, and that African Americans got new Full Time jobs at nearly twice the rate as the general population, 30% for African Americans, 17% for all races combined.
Full Time jobs under Clinton, all races:
1993 Q1: 96.528 Million Full Time jobs
2001 Q1: 112.654 Million Full Time jobs
Result: Increase of 16.7%

Full Time jobs under Clinton, blacks:
1993 Q1: 9.954 Million Full Time jobs
2001 Q1: 12.912 Million Full Time jobs
Result: Increase of 29.7

How much longer will Bernie supporters, both real and ersatz, humiliate themselves trying to stop Hillary? We'll just have to check Lash's posts to find out.


reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 06:12 pm
@edgarblythe,
Thank you for sharing
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 06:14 pm
@Lash,
Quote Lash:
Quote:
A primer on the facts about Bill Clinton, economics, and black Americans.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35999269

You just linked to a story about the Pope inviting Bernie Sanders in for a chat. Your brain is apparently so scrambled trying to link anti-Hillary stories it has begun to suffer hallucinations.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 06:15 pm
Ask all of your friends what they think of Bernie's vice presidential pick.

Lash
 
  2  
Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 06:31 pm
@Blickers,
Bill Clinton humiliated himself and the useful idiots who apologize for him.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 06:33 pm
@reasoning logic,
Thanks for the great vid!
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 06:49 pm
@Lash,
Quote Lash:
Quote:
Bill Clinton humiliated himself and the useful idiots who apologize for him.

Ask the 18,000+ black folks who are alive today because Bill Clinton's policies cut the murder rate for blacks-and everyone else-by over 30% how humiliated they are to be alive because Bill Clinton was president.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 8 Apr, 2016 08:13 pm
http://cornellsun.com/2016/04/07/report-says-ithaca-zip-code-is-top-donor-to-bernie-sanders-campaign/
Where Bernie gets his money....and votes.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 9 Apr, 2016 02:06 am
@reasoning logic,
I'm in love...
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