Bernie's In

@georgeob1,

I believe many of us are waiting for the FBI investigation, and what they find.

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@georgeob1,

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Stretching the matter out as long as possible certainly aids them in creating the impression that this is yet another act of "the vast right wing conspiracy" that Hillary claimed was out to get them in somewhat analogous circumstances over two decades ago. In these situations the Clintons have successfully used stalling and denial, mixed with accusations of bad intent on the part of their opponents to avoid critical injury in analogous matters. They are pretty good at it, though the game may become less effective in the replay.

There are other possibilities.
The accusers are just really bad at making real accusations stick
The accusers make accusations that don't match up with the facts.

Considering others than just the accusers have looked into many of the accusations it turns out to be the latter.

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@parados,

Who are the "accusers" you have in mind here? They certainly don't include the FBI which is investigating her (they have no such authority ) , and they likewise don't include the Intelligence community IG who has established the existence of Top Secret and Special Compartmented Intelligence materials on her private server (which until recently resided in the hands of a private company) . Meanwhile the State Department is still slow walking the FOIA requests and even the requests of the Intelligence Community investigators.

Only the Attorney General can meet your standard of accuser, and she hasn't acted. Moreover her boss, the President has already made clear his opinion that there is no hint of any criminal conduct involved in the situation. There is, however a continuing stream of emerging facts, the public reaction to them, and the reactions of Hillary's political opponents.

The political stakes here are high for all involved, and as long as Hillary's prospects for election look good there is ample motivation to continue protecting her. However should her prospects falter, for any reason, it will likely be advantageous for the administration to get her off the stage as quickly as possible to enable an alternative. Hillary (and to a degree the Administration) faces some threats from the Left (Sanders) and the Right (Republicans). I believe these are the real issues here, and the legalistic facade, behind which you usually retreat, will have little real role in the outcome, except as a rationalization for whatever they decide to do to fulfill their political ambitions.

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Another big 'get', endorsement -wise, for Bernie... Former president of the NAACP Benjamin Jealous.

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@snood,

This was pretty sweet too.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/justin-bamberg-endorses-bernie-sanders-218184

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@georgeob1,

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They certainly don't include the FBI which is investigating her

As of right now, Hillary is not the target of the FBI investigation. On the rest, I will wait to see the results of their investigation before making any conclusions.

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@revelette2,

We may wait a very long time.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

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They certainly don't include the FBI which is investigating her

As of right now, Hillary is not the target of the FBI investigation. On the rest, I will wait to see the results of their investigation before making any conclusions.

Anusing word play here. Revelette has stated it accurately, but the statement itself reveals the absuddity of her defenders who, based on the fact that she has not been indicted, assert that she is not the "target of a FBI investigation" whilr the bFBI Director himself asserts that an investigation is going on.

Meanwhile the President himself doesn't appear to be waiting for the results of the FBI investigation. He has alrady stated that there was no threat to national security in tn her actions. Apparently the INtelligence community IG doesn't appear to agree.

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@georgeob1,

So let's examine your statement and find out some things...

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They certainly don't include the FBI which is investigating her

Actually, the FBI has stated she is not the target of any investigation. They are looking at her server and the security and possible breaches.
So we start with you accusing her of being investigated by the FBI which is not true according to any known FBI statement. This is an example of what I was referring to. People that take a fact, warp it into something it is not and then act as if it means more than it does. The mistake is meant to be "innocent" on your part but it surely is meant to smear her as being guilty because she is being "investigated". The facts end up being much different. She is not being investigated.

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they likewise don't include the Intelligence community IG who has established the existence of Top Secret and Special Compartmented Intelligence materials on her private server

Yes, the IG has determined that there were top secret items discussed in emails she received. That doesn't make those emails classified at the time they were sent not does it mean Hillary mishandled classified documents. It most certainly isn't evidence of a crime committed by Hillary

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Meanwhile the State Department is still slow walking the FOIA requests and even the requests of the Intelligence Community investigators.

The State Department was/is under court order to release all the emails. The deadline was Jan 29 of this year. They discovered about 7000 emails that had not been sent to the intelligence community for examination for classified material so didn't meet the deadline for all document. As has been reported in the news, the emails that were inadvertently not sent so can't be released is not evidence that the emails contain damaging material. Slow walking is likely a mis-characterization. More likely is simple bureaucratic intransigence. They certainly haven't been slow walking any Intelligence community requests.

What we see is you taking several different items, changing them slightly from facts in evidence, then connecting them together and attempting to use them as a smear. This is what I am talking about. We examine the evidence and find you really have not there there. There are unanswered questions but nothing there to accuse her of wrong doing that rises to much more than being human and not perfect.

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@georgeob1,

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Anusing word play here. Revelette has stated it accurately, but the statement itself reveals the absuddity of her defenders who, based on the fact that she has not been indicted, assert that she is not the "target of a FBI investigation" whilr the bFBI Director himself asserts that an investigation is going on.

Oh for fucks sake. If we accept your argument then the fact that someone is robbed and goes to the police and the police start an investigation would lead us the point where we could say the person that was robbed is being investigated for committing a crime.

The problem with all the people arguing that Hillary committed a crime is they can't point to a specific criminal statute that Hillary could be charged under. Bringing up Patreaus is meaningless because Patreaus knowingly and with intent gave classified documents that were classified at the time he passed them on to someone not authorized to have those documents.
We have no evidence that any of the documents on Hillary's computer were classified at the time she was in possession of them.
We have no evidence of her passing documents or information that were classified knowingly and with intent to someone. Someone breaking into her computer isn't her knowingly passing information no matter how careless you want to make her out to be.

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@parados,

I agree with your assessment, because I've read nothing to the contrary.

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@georgeob1,

Hillary is not the target of FBI investigation, so it doubtful she will be indicted, unless there is change which I doubt. Here it is in bold letters (again, I have posted similar links so many times.)

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Law enforcement officials have said that Mrs. Clinton, who is seeking the 2016 Democratic nomination for president, is not a target of the investigation

NYT source

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@parados,

parados wrote:

The problem with all the people arguing that Hillary committed a crime is they can't point to a specific criminal statute that Hillary could be charged under. Bringing up Patreaus is meaningless because Patreaus knowingly and with intent gave classified documents that were classified at the time he passed them on to someone not authorized to have those documents.
We have no evidence that any of the documents on Hillary's computer were classified at the time she was in possession of them.
We have no evidence of her passing documents or information that were classified knowingly and with intent to someone. Someone breaking into her computer isn't her knowingly passing information no matter how careless you want to make her out to be.

Secure Federal e mail systems are not connected to the internet for obvious security reasons. To transfer information from them one must take physical action to copy, download and transfer it to an unsecure computer. Someone did that with respect to the now classified e mails Hillary received. As Secretary Hillary was the head classiffying official charged with protecting the information involved. She cannot argue that it was an underling's responsibility as she did with the security lapses in Libya. Any e-mails she sent containing classified information wer her personal responsibility to mark and handfle appropriately. Hillary knowingly and with intent set up a personal server initially in her home to handle what we now know to be all of her official e mail correspondence.

There is substantial law and State Department policy which she herself articulkated involved here.

THe FBI Director has stated several times that the FBI is investigating the e mail matter.

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@georgeob1,

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Any e-mails she sent containing classified information wer her personal responsibility to mark and handfle appropriately.

Therein lies the rub. Even if we can assume she sent classified information you have to show she knew it was classified and intended to send the classified material to someone who should not have received it. None of those things is even close to being shown. With Patraeus, they have him on tape saying the documents he gave to his mistress contain classified information. Even with that evidence he was only charged with a misdemeanor. There is nothing even close to that with Hillary. We don't even know if she sent anything that could be considered classified. We only know she received it.

Setting up a server is NOT intending to pass classified material. No reasonable person can make the connection between the two.

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There is substantial law and State Department policy which she herself articulkated involved here.

Yes, there is substantial law. You seem to be completely ignorant of what that law is.

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@georgeob1,

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THe FBI Director has stated several times that the FBI is investigating the e mail matter.

Care to provide the quotes that show Hillary is being investigated? I won't hold my breath. Conservatives seem to make **** up about what the director said but what they made up isn't what he said.

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FBI looking into Hillary Clinton's email server security, lawyer says

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Hillary Clinton's lawyer confirms the FBI is looking into the private email set up she used as Secretary of State

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@McGentrix,

The Washington Post first reported that the FBI was looking into Clinton's private email set up during her time as Secretary of State, particularly the security used to protect information on the server

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@McGentrix,

They are looking into the security of those emails, they are concerned with foreign powers maybe had hacked into her system. Hillary herself is not the subject of the investigation as for her doing anything illegal.

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@revelette2,

Wrong.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

FBI looking into Hillary Clinton's email server security, lawyer says

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Hillary Clinton's lawyer confirms the FBI is looking into the private email set up she used as Secretary of State

That was so long ago, if there was anything going to happen to her, it would have been set in motion. They are not going to let somebody become president with that hanging over their head.

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