Bernie's In

A nice read.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/jan/25/cnn-democratic-debate-live-coverage-iowa-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-martin-omalley

Thinking back, there was a certain long time poster, who no longer posts here (At least for now), who started it all, the day something positive was posted about Bernie's prospects, going berserk at the notion anybody would challenge Hillary. Mocking and saying we will destroy the nation, or something of that nature.

Could you be referring to Frank? I have been wondering where he is. If so, if I am remember correctly, Frank thought Bernie is perceived as a socialist which is a negative in the general election and we would thereby loose the general election and give it all to the republicans who end up controlling the new seats coming up in the Supreme Court. But he personally liked Bernie Sanders, I don't know too many people who don't. His fans, some of them, are another story plus Sanders aids who go too far in their zeal.

We offend Hillary supporters because we must. It is a combo of self defense and fighting for a just cause.

Haha. he met every single positive post about Bernie with a diatribe.

You are free to have your own opinion. I am only pointing out that your opinion and those like you is not fact based. It is nothing but emotional appeal.

For instance. I point out that Insurance companies are not in the top 20 of her donors after max said we can't trust her because they are such large donors. You point out I am wrong because pharmaceutical companies are in her top 10. Perhaps you can explain to us why your argument is not fact based. It shouldn't take much thought for you to figure it out.

All the money every candidate gets comes from individual Americans. That is the law.

The only difference can be the amount, up to $2,700, and whether it is bundled with other contributions before going to the candidate.

Ok. Let's do it. im on my phone now so limited in navigating for research purposes. Let's attend to this honestly, starting with that weak premise you're hanging on to. Be back to this by tomorrow evening if not tonight.

Thank you.

You need to do research to figure out that insurance companies are not the same thing as pharmaceutical companies? Why would any thinking person have to research that?

My apologies. I didn't suspect it was ok with you that she was on the take from one, just not the other.

So by your argument, Bernie is on the take from the US Navy and the US Air Force since they are some of his biggest contributors. We only need to look a the contributors to know a politician is on the take.

But wouldent it be justice to a bunch who have been bending the truth out of shape by using opinion as fact. If the Supreme Court gets another republican all the unions better grab their asses.

Edgar this surprized me. I thought you were more truthful than this. Frank thinks as I do that if a republican is elected that the supreme court will destroy what freedoms we have left. He never attacked Bernie the way you conservative democrates have attacked the Clintons. If a republican wins the presidency you and lash can pat yourselves on the back and take credit for it. As i hav e already pointed out even if Bernie is elected president he will be able to get absolutely nothing through a republican congress. The few things Obama was able to get done were done before a wholy republiucan congress came to power. You all live in la la land, not in the real world.

I don't know where you are getting your information from. He used to post all kinds of stuff about why we have to elect Hillary and only Hillary. If that is what you are telling me is a lie, then you are mistaken about it.

To imply we need not even try to do better just because there will be stiff resistance is plain defeatism. Saying we should settle for mediocre, just because excellence is too hard. Remember Bush became president and sold people on the invasion 0f Iraq. If somebody had asked a reasonable person if that was possible, they would have acted the same way the Hillary supporters are now. about Bernie. In short, it is only impossible to defeatists.

Frank Apisa
1REPLYQUOTEREPORT Fri 3 Jul, 2015 02:28 am
@maxdancona,
No problem, Max. And you probably would have the advantage of having the far right help finance a Sanders run. They'd much, much, much rather have him to battle than Hillary. As I said earlier...Sanders would fare even worse than Goldwater did for the Republicans in 1964.

Anyway, the far left has always been the anvil around the Dem Party's neck...and they are living up to expectations this time around!

Likewise, if Clinton is the candidate and if a republican wins the presidency you and the other clintonians can pat yourselves on the back and take credit for it...

The big difference is, Hillary supporters aren't throwing preemptive tantrums, and talking about how they will not vote for Bernie if he's the nominee.

No need to worry about petty posturing. Most people on the left are going to vote for her, even those who don't trust her... She's still better than Trump, whatever one thinks of her checkered past.

Likewise, the Cliton's supporters tactic to try and scare voters away from "Sanders the socialist" is IMO petty, if not downright cowardly.

Always mischaracterizing Bernie supporters. The ones of us not supporting Hillary are not throwing a tantrum, not being childish. We are just as convinced that she is too corrupt to serve as we are that the Republicans are too inept to serve. Big difference from throwing tantrums. I resent being told I am childish or whatever for holding convictions based on evidence.

YOU constantly mischaracterize what I'M saying.

I have no problem with Bernie supporters - I'M a Bernie supporter, goddammit!!!! I have no problem with people who don't like Hillary.
For the LAST time:

I think if a Bernie supporter would make the conscious choice to withhold their vote for the Dem nominee if its not Bernie (as I've heard many of them say they will) it is tantamount to throwing a hissy fit, cutting off their nose to spite their face, throwing the baby out with the bath water, or insert any colloquialism that means being thoughtless, selfish, childish and petty without regard to the larger harm they will do. There is NO rational justification for taking such an action (or inaction) especially with the stakes as high as putting Trump or Cruz in the white house. THAT is NOT personal between you and I. I think ANYONE taking such a course is FOOLISH.